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03 August 2008

After a night of booze and wild sex, i've had a few cigarettes, and if you don't like it, that's your problem.
posted by CitrusFreak12 03 August | 21:39
Oh, bummer. Well, back to square one.
posted by Miko 03 August | 21:41
Well, at the end of the day, if cigarettes and liquor are the worst vice you have to deal with, then your doimg pretty well.
posted by jonmc 03 August | 21:44
Well, it's totally up to you - no one else really cares whether you smoke or not. We're happy to support you if you want to quit, but if you don't, you don't. No big deal.
posted by Miko 03 August | 21:49
collects on side bet
posted by Miko 03 August | 21:50
You just made some North Carolina conservative redneck tobacco farmers very proud, Jon.

Okay, get back on the wagon, you turkey, throw out the nicotine, and pick up some Pocky and some Welbutrin (I forget what they call it when they prescribe it for nicotine addiction...)

My friend died of lung cancer. He wasn't a smoker (not all who have that were) but I'm telling you that is a hell way to die. And emphysema ain't any better.

Don't make Pips watch you go thru something like that, you turkeybutt.
posted by bunnyfire 03 August | 21:51
bunny, I spent about 20 minutes tonight arguing about racism with an urban redneck. At the end of the day people are what people are, and ther's not a goddam thing we can do about it, so we allmight as well just indulge our little vices.
posted by jonmc 03 August | 21:59
There's your jonmc, folks, squarely standing on unprinciple. ;-)
posted by stilicho 03 August | 22:15
Quitting smoking is like learning to fly. If you throw yourself at the floor enough times, eventually you will miss.
posted by Ardiril 03 August | 22:16
One failure doesn't mean defeat. Go to bed and try it again tomorrow, bud.
posted by BoringPostcards 03 August | 22:18
There's your jonmc, folks, squarely standing on unprinciple.

a opposed to standing on some vague principle that's often just as bad as what it opposes? If my worst sin is admitting that I'm as fucked up as the rest of numanity and admitting it, i plead guilty.
posted by jonmc 03 August | 22:20
FWIW, my mom quit this summer after 40+ years of daily, full-on nicotine addicted, using Chantix. IANAD, YMMV, not valid outside in Puerto Rico, the U.S. Virgin Islands, or the principality of Monaco.
posted by Joe Invisible 03 August | 22:27
And not that anyone asked--I'm just happy for her.
posted by Joe Invisible 03 August | 22:28
From a different perspective, you quit every time you stub out a butt. Whether that is meaningful or not is another story.
posted by Ardiril 03 August | 22:29
what's odd is that that if that's my greatest sin, it's also my greatest virtue. ynoxas once said that he had a lurker friend who said that he was, and i quote, 'convinced that i was the only username backed up by an actual human being' and languagehat once said to me 'kudos to jonmc for his stubborn humanity' and to this day i consider those two comments to be the greatest compliments I've ver recieved as a writer. Even y2karl once said in an email that he admired my willingness to bare my soul.

My point is that if our worst sin is to show ourselves as flawed humans, we're doing pretty well and that exposing that humanity is more productive than simply saying what people want to hear.
posted by jonmc 03 August | 22:29
"My point is that if our worst sin is to show ourselves as flawed humans, we're doing pretty well and that exposing that humanity is more productive than simply saying what people want to hear."

That's great now get back on the wagon. You did it before and you can do it now.

*lots of good wishes fwtw*
posted by arse_hat 03 August | 22:49
at least you got laid...
posted by hellojed 04 August | 00:48
Well, I tend to agree with those characterizations, bud. Which is why I couldn't resist a little knock.

Ciggies have beaten many many strong folk through time. My mom had to quit about three times before it took.
posted by stilicho 04 August | 01:07
(I think I've said that I lurked at MetaFilter the first few months (meaning ITS first few months), but probably joined to respond to "something jonmc said" ....)
posted by stilicho 04 August | 01:10
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posted by gomichild 04 August | 01:24
I'll ditto BP - why stop stopping? You quit because you wanted to, because *something* twigged in your brain. Tomorrow, you'll still want to. No biggie. Try again. Ease up on the booze and wickedcool sex, because, you know they go sooooo well with a smoke. Right, and move that mountain too, whydoncha? Srsly, fight man!
posted by Zack_Replica 04 August | 01:46
Don't worry, you'd still be a flawed human -- and more to the point, you'd still be yourself -- without smoking.
posted by scody 04 August | 02:45
That lasted, what, a day?

You RickRolled the cigarettes.

"Never gonna give you up...."
posted by chillmost 04 August | 03:06
and if you don't like it, that's your problem

So no shame then? I thought the whole point of the very public declaration all over the Internet was to make you take it seriously.

Regardless, jonmc, I look forward to ongoing detailed updates about your smoking, drinking and sex.
posted by Meatbomb 04 August | 04:50
Jon, you stubborn, stubborn, turkeybutt.

Do you want to quit or don't you?

I babysat a woman one weekend who had emphysema. She could barely get herself to a bathroom, much less actually DO anything. She was on oxygen, and gasping for breath. Do you want a future where you feel like you cannot get enough air for the rest of your life? Where you are limited severely in what you can do? Where Pips would actually have to get you a babysitter if she had to go out of town for a weekend?

This woman told me over and over and over again that she should have never smoked.
posted by bunnyfire 04 August | 06:31
Guilt-tripping him is not going to help him. He'll quit when he wants to.

And he's on his way.

Hang in there, Jon, be strong.
posted by Specklet 04 August | 06:43
Do it your way, dude. Do whatever you gotta do your way. :)
posted by chewatadistance 04 August | 06:48
From my experience with friends and family (both parents and sister), you can't bully someone into quitting smoking. The person has to arrive to the right place on their own terms. If Jon's not there yet, all the yelling in world won't help him quit.

Jon, you're still a pussy for giving up after a day though
posted by octothorpe 04 August | 07:32
Bah. I meet people every single day who have recently quit smoking, never to smoke again. And I don't hear them backsliding.

(Of course, by the time they get to me, they've also quit breathing, which seems counterproductive...)
posted by ColdChef 04 August | 08:02
Correction: the ones I cremate, do--in fact--smoke quite a bit. I retract my statement.
posted by ColdChef 04 August | 08:05
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gomichild, is that the grim reaper coming to get jon?
posted by StickyCarpet 04 August | 09:23
No biggy. You've been smoking for some time, so you're bound to have a set back or two. If you're serious, this doesn't mean a thing, just move on. My wife just quite smoking, and she started when she was 9. This is the first time she's seriously tried, and she's had a few setbacks. She's blogging about it here. Maybe the two of you can commiserate.
posted by Hellbient 04 August | 09:54
Jon, you'll either be one of those all-smokin', all-drinkin' old geezers you see on the news who lives to be 104 and attributes it all to booze and cigs, or you'll be hacked down by emphysema, cancer or congestive heart failure before you're 60.

I'm so glad I've never tried a cigarette. I know how hard it's been for me to give up every other thing I've been addicted to.

Here's a song.
posted by essexjan 04 August | 11:31
Yeah, there is some research showing that smokers who quit successfully have, on average, six or seven previous attempts. I am right in line with the average - I quit about six times, for periods ranging from a few hours to six months, before quitting for real on June 30, 2002. So it often does take more than one attempt. In each attempt, at least, you learn about something that might trip you up, and you can be more familiar with the process next time and prepare some better responses.
posted by Miko 04 August | 12:20
Sometimes quitters need something to replace the habit, to some extent. I recommend self-cutting.

Good luck with this quitting shit, man. It hurts. Call me if you think a stupor might help.
posted by Hugh Janus 04 August | 12:46
You need a slap around the head jon. 2 days? Two freaking days. That's pitiful. You better quit again right now. Throw those fags in the bin and stop being a chain smoking baby.

And stop with the shoulder shrugging "I'm jonmc. I'm weak. That's what I do." act. You believe that and you're never going to quit the habit.

If you really want to quit, grow a spine and fucking quit.
posted by seanyboy 04 August | 14:51
Seanyboy has it.

jon, I am done babying you, buddy. Deal with it.
posted by bunnyfire 04 August | 15:09
posted by Hugh Janus 04 August | 15:24
Yeah, you big smoking baby! Pick up your baby bonnet with the Marlboro logo on it on your way out.
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posted by Hellbient 04 August | 15:31
posted by Hugh Janus 04 August | 15:35
Dude - get back on the stick and try again. It's only 10 days to freedom, man. You can still be Joe Everyman and Not Smoke.

Are you telling me you can't outlast something unapologetically toxic for ten lousy days?

posted by Lipstick Thespian 04 August | 15:39
He, like everyone else who quits, will do so when he's ready and not before. Unless you've been a drug addict yourself at some time, it's hard to understand that.

But yeah, having a spine is a pre-requisite to giving up smoking. Like so many things that are worth doing, it's fucking hard.
posted by dg 04 August | 16:02
Quit, or don't quit. But don't hurt yourself thinking up justifications for not quitting.
posted by casarkos 04 August | 16:40
hey jonmc! i have not smoked in 6 weeks. zero craving. zero discomfort. stopped like that *snaps fingers*
my secret? i found a new, 90% less harmful nicotine delivery system! swedish snus. no shit dude. snus is great. no spitting. no loose crap in your mouth. no smoking. lottsa flavor. cheaper than cigarettes, WAY cheaper than nicotine gum. swedish snus is NOT "dip" or "snuff". you have to buy it from sweden as its not sold in the states.

snus is pulverized tobacco mixed with water and salt and steam pasteurized. very low in nitrates. packaged in little teabag-like portions you slip under your upper lip.

it's not really snus, it's fire-cured tobacco, full of carcinogenic nitrates, additives, and it delivers almost zero nicotine.

i started with a can of Tourney from the local speedway station. but this is dry and flavorless, though it does deliver the nicotine you crave. i turned to the trusty internet and ordered genuine swedish snus from my recommendations are Ettan Original Portion and Jakobsens Original portion (my favorite). order some and when it comes, see if it doesn't give you the nicotine your brain craves without the awful destruction wreaked upon your lungs by smoking and the lesions, unsanitary spitting and possible mouth cancer caused by nitrates in dip. i love me some swedish snus, dude!
posted by quonsar 04 August | 18:17
quonsar, I've already offered him a rather large stash of snus. Keep trying to talk him into it.
posted by StickyCarpet 04 August | 20:23
one day at a time....
posted by brujita 04 August | 22:12
It's blueberry time. || Item