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23 March 2006

IRC Deregulation: Dear bunnies, as of this Saturday, #metachat will be retired. Everyone can still do the IRC thing, of course, but we're not going to have an official metachat.org-related channel. Neither dodgy nor I are on #metachat very often, so It makes better sense that the people who do use it all the time create their own thing and establish their own standards. Any channels that are used regularly can be listed in the wiki along with any related pertinent information. →[More:]

For the short term, so that people have a common place to get together and work out any ideas about new channels, or just to chat as usual, we have created #wererabbits as a temporary private channel with all the same ops, guidelines, robobunny, etc. as #metachat. Wererabbits will be in place for a month.

If this seems a disappointing decision, please understand that we really don't feel comfortable imposing usage standards or resolving conflicts for something that neither of us actually use much or have any particular expertise dealing with. There has been some disagreement lately about best IRC protocol, and we can see the rationale for the various viewpoints that have been expressed... but we can't see the rationale in us choosing one above the other on behalf of everyone for an "official" metachat channel. We didn't start out the site with idea of having a related IRC channel, and since the beginning of #metachat, we've always viewed it as a "see-how-it-goes" kind of thing, and now it seems best to let things take their own course. This isn't at all punitive, and we aren't upset or unhappy with anyone. Really. We just don't see ourselves as IRC administrators, especially on any official level, and this is just what seems most simply logical and personally comfortable to us.

How will this change things? Everyone is still welcome to make posts inviting people to whatever channel they're in, but we won't have the list of irc chatters on the sidebar. Any new channels can be listed on the wiki IRC page and can link to a descriptive page that should include information about owners, ops and/or guidelines. Anyone can see who is chatting on those channels at any given time by checking the link to the channel information page (like this one for #wererabbits) that should be included with those entries. We do ask that only channels that are designed with a generally open format be included on the wiki list and none of the channels should include the name "metachat" or "mecha". One-off channels, joke channels and exclusionary channels will be removed. If this isn't clear enough (and it may not be) and the list itself threatens to cause anger and conflict, the list will be removed. It would be kind of silly to retire the channel only to become referees in any kind of IRC wiki dispute.

For those who are unhappy about this, we're sorry, but we hope by stepping out of a position that we aren't really adequate to fill, and don't have much interest in pursuing, that any mecha-related IRC activity will find its own natural level and expression. Generally people on metachat have always chosen to be fun, open and supportive instead of close-minded, divisive and short tempered. We really hope that this remains the standard for IRC as well as the site, and we didn't feel that having an official channel that was beginning to cause resentments, anger or frustration was useful in preserving that rather extraordinary paradigm.

- taz & dodgy

post by: taz at: 13:09 | 99 comments

Well, I don't like it, but I understand your reasons.

It would probably not be hard to make a Greasemonkey script to put the IRC sidebar back in for a user-specified channel, provided that information was available on the web via http somewhere... this could actually be a good project for someone looking to learn some Greasmonkey scripting... someone named Capn maybe...

posted by Capn 23 March | 13:15

/me is disappointed, but understands the importance of killing feeping creatures before they get out of hand.

posted by Triode 23 March | 13:17

...

:(

posted by loquacious 23 March | 13:18

I didn't realize there was anything regulated about #metachat. I thought the only tie-in with metachat.org was that the website was gracious enough to list the current IRC participants. What's to stop people from continuing to go to #metachat on slashnet?

posted by mullacc 23 March | 13:18

We do ask that only channels that are designed with a generally open format be included on the wiki list and none of the channels should include the name "metachat" or "mecha".

Are you asking that we not use #metachat, or just that we not list #metachat on the wiki? Why are you asking that we not list #metachat on the wiki? Could the wiki page simply include a note that #metachat is not managed in any way by taz or dodgy?

posted by agropyron 23 March | 13:20

Can you please just give Eideteker and I and whomever admin control of #metachat?

While it's not perfectly analagous, it's like changing the broadcast frequency of a radio station. It may leave some in the dark.

posted by loquacious 23 March | 13:20

posted by mike9322 23 March | 13:21

I feel I should just chime in here to confirm this really does come from both of us. We discussed this at length and we did not take this decision lightly.

posted by dodgygeezer 23 March | 13:24

Can I be the first to say "Yay!"?

Cool. IRC should be freeform, this is a good decision.

posted by knave 23 March | 13:26

It might be nice to have a radio-oriented chat channel that can be used by whoever is DJing the Radio Mecha at the time, and whoever wants to chat with them about what's playing on the radio, radio skips, lining up for open spots, who's on next, etc. If we can't call it #mecharadio maybe we could call it #bunnyradio or suchlike.

posted by matildaben 23 March | 13:30

i agree with knave.
and the wiki should state the independant nature.

posted by ethylene 23 March | 13:31

This makes me sad. I trust y'all, though. And yes, hopefully the IRC thing will find it's own level, because for a lot of us, being there is like spending time with family. I really, really hope so.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 13:32

just link connect with the server but not be specific
i never thought metafilter's irc was much involved in anything but people hanging out

like any site or space.

posted by ethylene 23 March | 13:32

Can someone post to the wiki about how one goes about registering a channel and assigning chanops, please?

posted by matildaben 23 March | 13:34

Like the universe, the internet is suject to the second Law of Thermodynamics: Entropy Always Increases. Organized structures must eventually dissolve. This is just another step in that direction.

In the mean time, I will be discussing posting pictures of my cat on #tah_cat_em.

posted by Triode 23 March | 13:34

Can you please just give Eideteker and I and whomever admin control of #metachat?

We discussed the idea of changing ownership of the channel. We'd be unhappy to have a channel out there that gives the appearance of being a part of metachat.org as this will doubtless spill over on to the website.

Additionally it's clear to us that one channel may not be enough to satisfy the different types of users who wish to use IRC - having an "official" channel would frustrate efforts to satisfy all members.

This should be seen as good news - here's a chance for people to run an IRC channel they way they'd like it to be run and they can continue to chat with other members of metachat. I think, while in the short term this may be a little stressful, in the long term everyone will be much better off.

posted by dodgygeezer 23 March | 13:35

That way clearer lines can be defined about IRC altogether.

A lot of peole just floating rooms can be, let's say questionable.
We've caught a few good ones, though, so i think it's important to keep it on the wiki.

someone does maintain the wiki, loosely, right?

posted by ethylene 23 March | 13:36

matildaben read my mind... metachat has been my only exposure to IRC, so an "IRC for Dummies" guide would be most appreciated.

posted by BoringPostcards 23 March | 13:38

It might be nice to have a radio-oriented chat channel

There is a field in Shoutcast where you can specify an IRC channel so I may add that to the Radio page and then you can click there to go to the DJs chosen channel. As well as allowing people to speak to the DJ this could give DJs an opportunity to promote their favoured channel.

posted by dodgygeezer 23 March | 13:39

What will I do when I'm drunk? How will I find you? So many questions, so few answers.

posted by tr33hggr 23 March | 13:39

What will I do when I'm drunk? How will I find you?

/join #drubk

posted by matildaben 23 March | 13:41

we didn't feel that having an official channel that was beginning to cause resentments, anger or frustration was useful in preserving that rather extraordinary paradigm.

???
Eh, I won't ask (so I can just blame ortho in my heart).

posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 13:41

No matildaben, I won't find my patient and forgiving bunnies there! Just frat boys and Fark freaks.

posted by tr33hggr 23 March | 13:42

well this sucks, as I just found the channel last night and met some folks. Guess I was too late.

a little upset about this..

posted by By the Grace of God 23 March | 13:45

Ok. Breathe.
This is not bad. Just Different.

We can still use slashnet and you know how to use chatzilla or trillian or whatever.
it's a link away.
seriously.

posted by ethylene 23 March | 13:47

Don't blame ortho, dano... or anyone! There were a lot of reasons that this seemed the best thing. Anyway, whatever channels that evolve will be listed easily in the wiki... nobody will get lost.

For people like grace who just found the channel - don't worry, there will definitely be channels with bunnies in them!

posted by taz 23 March | 13:48

Hey, look. There are a lot of us who are dedicated to the idea of hanging out with each other (while drinking, or whatever), right?

We'll work it out.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 13:48

i'm very sorry for enjoying the soundtrack at the same time.

posted by ethylene 23 March | 13:48

and I'm hoping that my brief (and seemingly uncontroversial) appearance this morning didn't have anything to do with it. If it did, I strongly and sincerely request that someone clue me in.

posted by By the Grace of God 23 March | 13:49

a little upset about this..

There's no need to be, honest. In the meantime there's #wererabbits and I'm sure many other channels will emerge that will be better tended and will have their own vibrant community.

So please don't be put off.

posted by dodgygeezer 23 March | 13:51

Ok, taz.

posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 13:51

I fully support your decision to deregulate IRC. However, by asking us to not use #metachat, you're still regulating it, aren't you?

it's like changing the broadcast frequency of a radio station. It may leave some in the dark.

This is the relevant point here. What do you lose by letting us use #metachat? I highly doubt anyone will come to you with any conflicts, and if we do you can just say "We don't run that."

posted by agropyron 23 March | 13:52

Maybe more people would've gave a shit if you didn't do stupid shit like have a 'no idling' "policy"

posted by michelob 23 March | 13:58

You're all welcome to hang out on irc.ieattapes.com #tapes. Everyone's real chill there and we don't mind idlers.

posted by thirteenkiller 23 March | 13:58

Dude. I was there for the first time last night.

It made my normal lonely existence fun.

And mudpuppie is hilarious. Witty woman.

She rocks.

posted by Lola_G 23 March | 14:00

I haven't really been a user, but I'm sure it will work out. I remember not so long ago when there was all of the IRC drama with a hijacked channel and everything else. I remember that we came through that ok and that everyone found their way to the new place that was set up in response.

At the risk of being wrong, I'm going to suggest that part of the disappointment and confusion expressed here result from the reality of the mods/owners asserting themselves. This is a very freeform place, and the moderation is so lowkey that it appears almost as if this is just The Commons, when, in fact, it's dodgy and taz's website. They're lovely and treat us all well, but when they make a decision like this it shows that there is someone behind the curtain. That's ok. I have no doubt, given the care that is so evident everywhere else, as well as the easygoing humor of this entire place, that they considered their decision and made the right one.

posted by omiewise 23 March | 14:01

I don't understand, what was going on in #metachat that necessitated this? I haven't been around for a while, was there a lot of acrimony in there or something?

posted by kenko 23 March | 14:01

I hear they like to eat babies head first on #tapes. That's just wrong, and Shelbyvillian.

Babies should be eaten feet first.

posted by loquacious 23 March | 14:02

This is the relevant point here. What do you lose by letting us use #metachat? I highly doubt anyone will come to you with any conflicts, and if we do you can just say "We don't run that."

Remember #mefi?

posted by evstar 23 March | 14:03

Also, one of the reasons for not using #metachat is that we imagine there will be various channels (love-idlers. spank-idlers-soundly, idlers-only) for metachat members to choose from, and it doesn't make sense for one of them to specifically have the name of the site.

posted by taz 23 March | 14:04

Actually, it'd be nice if none if you idiots came to #tapes. We have enough drama spouting faggotry as it is with people like Menomena, and don't need a surplus of it. Have a nice day.

posted by michelob 23 March | 14:09

Can I be the first to say "Yay!"?

Cool. IRC should be freeform, this is a good decision.

I understand why the decision was made but let me say crap.

I have never liked irc until now. The way #metachat was a natural extension of metachat made it attractive. I really doubt I will be back in irc. Without the listing on the front page I will probably not go looking for rooms and trying to see who in them.

Ah well life goes on.

posted by arse_hat 23 March | 14:12

Michelob,
How does one cultivate such a magnificent IRC Rage Boner? Truly superb.

posted by Divine_Wino 23 March | 14:14

Oh, michelob, go away.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 14:16

I just registered a couple of obvious channels which will be indicated later, and populated with an ops list.

There will be a home base. I will not go wandering the ether like some packet-surfing band of stragglers looking for a home, ala Battlestar Galactica.

Unless there's robot dogs and space disco involved.

posted by loquacious 23 March | 14:16

Come to my lair. I have plenty of rape available.

posted by michelob 23 March | 14:18

You may be surprised, arse_hat... let's see what happens. I think it will still be vibrant and integrated - just in a different way.

posted by taz 23 March | 14:19

For the record, it might take a little more work, but you can easily find out who's present in any Slashnet channel.

Go to http://slashnet.org/channels/metachat [or other channel name] and you'll get a list of who's there.

No guesswork. No running into people you owe money. Easy way to stalk your crushes.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 14:19

That's only if they're -i, mudpuppie.

posted by cmonkey 23 March | 14:21

I understand all that mudpuppie. I just know that it's likly I won't get round to doing that. I can be lazy about things sometimes.

posted by arse_hat 23 March | 14:24

True, monkey, but most people are in the habit of doing that now.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 14:24

We talked about this two weeks ago, back when there was drama, and there was no need for it. We haven't had any drama in the past two weeks, so there's no need for this now.

I spent two hours pleading my case to Taz on IRC, when IRC was going away the next morning. The next morning it didn't go away. It seemed like dodgy had convinced taz to keep the channel. Now we are losing it based on what straw?

I know this is somehow my fault, but I don't appreciate not being talked to about it. I have the 2-hr chat logged, if anyone wants to know my full rationale, but right now I'll spare repeating myself and instead respond from the gut and say: This is crap.

Taz, dodgy, I said I didn't want you losing any sleep, but were you still losing sleep? When nothing was going wrong? I know I said I would support whatever decision because of the stress it was causing, but I guess I didn't realize it was still causing stress. I'm sorry.

posted by Eideteker 23 March | 14:30

I don't know what the problem was, I don't want to know, and I'm sad. But youse guys gotta do what's right for youse.

posted by gaspode 23 March | 14:32

I don't understand the point of closing down a popular IRC channel when so many bunnies (myself included) don't know enough about IRC to do all the stuff others are suggesting. I think a large part of the community spirit will be lost.

posted by ThePinkSuperhero 23 March | 14:34

I was just going to say, I can't understand any of this, for which I am glad and a little resentful.

posted by Divine_Wino 23 March | 14:34

Mm-hmm. Me too.

posted by iconomy 23 March | 14:36

see... this is wrong. It's not about you, eid. It really, really, really isn't about anybody. Really. Is it surprising that different people want to run things in different ways? Not at all. Doesn't it just make sense that they should be able to that?

The only thing that doesn't make sense is dodgy and I deciding for everybody.

posted by taz 23 March | 14:39

Can someone decide on a community place that we'll all go? #bunnychat or something?

posted by ThePinkSuperhero 23 March | 14:41

Look, here's two more cents.

None of us but Dodgy and Taz knows what the specific problem(s) was/were. That's fine -- they're probably protecting the privacy of one or many of us, and we should all be grateful for that.

Hypothetically, if someone got their feelings hurt or toes smashed on #metachat (and those of us who have spent any time there have all seen the assholes come in and out, and many of us have been assholes at some point), then Taz and Dodgy are nominally responsible. The same way they're nominally responsible when someone says something stupid here -- and in which event they occasionally act like moderators and tell the stupid person to STFU.

But neither one of them spends much time in IRC. And what happens there? They don' know about it unless someone tells them. And if someone tells them, it's likely in a highly charged, he-said/she-said kind of way.

So it's understandable that they wouldn't want to be responsible for that.

We can easily set up a separate channel that Dodgy and Taz don't have to worry about. Personally, I hope it's one channel we can all agree on, not 6 different channels for 6 different cliques. That will have to work itself out, though.

Things don't have to be any different. We can still all hang out and be goofy together, and bitch to each other when our lives aren't going well, and occasionally be snippy and then apologize for it. It's just that when something goes wrong, the community will have to take the heat, not the absent, titular moderators.

Right?

They wouldn't have done this if there weren't a good reason. So let's just try to figure it out, eh?

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 14:43

There will be, TPS. Relax. Like I said, I will not wander without a home base. Channels have been registered and founded. I just don't have time to prep everything and publish it right now. Later.

Worry not, there will be at least one home, unofficial or otherwise.

posted by loquacious 23 March | 14:44

Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay, good.

posted by ThePinkSuperhero 23 March | 14:48

Here's a proposal.

Instead of some random 5 of us trying to figure something out individually, how about the people invested in IRC try to work something out. Like, democratically create a new channel that we can all use, decide on who the operators are, etc?

I'm willing to spearhead this via email.

My proposal: Everyone who's really into helping decide the IRC channel's future, send me an email. We can all then discuss, via email, a new channel name, whether there should be one channel or a half-dozen, etc. And in the end, we can vote.

If you're not into it, don't worry about it. But seems like we should try to reach a consensus instead of all going renegade to figure out our own personal best solution.

And if I'm out of line, sorry. Just trying to help.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 14:50

Excellently said, mudpuppie.

(Note: I have no idea what the problem was, either, but would like to see us all move forward rather than dwell on what's past.)

posted by BoringPostcards 23 March | 14:51

I just started using #metachat this week. I'm on spriiiiing break!, but apparently no one else in the world is, so I'm bored at home all the time. I may not ever come back after this Saturday anyway, but it's a fun place.

That said, it's too bad that there won't be an "official" room, but IRC isn't dead. Y'all will still get to talk to each other. Don't worry too much :)

posted by danb 23 March | 14:51

I don't understand what the big deal is. Just post on the front page if you want to invite other folks to chat.

Like pup said, it would be nice if there was one unofficial channel we could all agree on, like, say #bunnychat or something.

Problem solved.

On preview, TPS and I have become one.

posted by Specklet 23 March | 14:54

Really. Is it surprising that different people want to run things in different ways?

I just thought the hurting was over. IRC was a shiny happy place again. No one was complaining about me lurking, not to my face. It was meant jokingly, I assure you. What bothers me is not being told. I would have stopped. No one told me that there was a problem with the way any of it was being run.

I guess I just thought the stress was once again gone. I thought that we had demonstrated that we could all get along and be happy. I guess we failed you. I'm sorry for whatever we did to deserve this.

Also, I'm sorry if I sound paranoid or combatitive. Someone brought it to my attention that I might sound that way. I'm a fighter, where ideas are involved; I'll fight for anything I believe in, even when it would probably be smarter to just let things lie. I don't mean to increase anyone's stress, nor am I raging against taz & dodgy; just their decision. I realize it's all set and decided and done and over with, but I want to be on record as opposing this.

Worry not, there will be at least one home, unofficial or otherwise.

This is exactly the problem I foresee. I hope this does not devolve into "join my channel" "no join MY channel" and otherwise, because then I guess we will have shown taz and dodgy that we really can't get along.

#bunniez has been working so far, and people know where to find it; but I feel like crap even mentioning it because I registered it. I don't want people coming there for me, and not to so-and-so's channel, because then it will turn in to teams and ego vs. ego.

Mudpuppie, you have a good idea (as usual). Let's pursue that. Meanwhile, I'm setting up the op structure in #bunniez.

posted by Eideteker 23 March | 14:54

Eid, as far as I know, nobody ever, ever complained about you lurking in #metachat, and all I can do is ask you to trust me when I repeat that this isn't punitive at all, and that it really, really doesn't have to do with any individual.

There were just a lot more reasons to do this than not to.

posted by taz 23 March | 15:04

I thought that we had demonstrated that we could all get along and be happy. I guess we failed you. I'm sorry for whatever we did to deserve this.

Eideteker, you know I'm with you on the whole IRC issue, but this is a little silly. As long as there's an official MetaChat IRC channel there will be some administrative duties and responsibilities. Taz and Dodgy don't want that. Even if we have a 6-month streak without problems, who's to say there won't be a problem tomorrow?

posted by agropyron 23 March | 15:19

I would like to take this opportunity to thank Taz and Dodgy for creating a terrific online community and having been a scarred veteran of various nefarious IRC wars, I certainly can understand why they would not continue to admin #metachat. I'm sure that IRC junkies will find a new home or homes and those who wish to be IRC admins can also set up their own servers to accomodate those who wish to use that communication protocol.

posted by Lynsey 23 March | 15:28

I don't know the specifics, but it's easy to guess that it's the fault of the whiners who a) become propietary about things they don't "own", and b) chafe at even minimal rules of behavior. No one should have been given ops. It is beyond me how a simple little place where people can talk to each other becomes fraught with problems. Other mefi-related irc channels have long been both childish and cliqueish to the point of being exclusionary. I had the impression that mecha folks were both nicer and more mature than that.

God, this kind of crap pisses me off. Even done college radio at a fairly big station? Other kinds of volunteer organizations? Whatever it is, there's always some people who come to think they are "most equal" and entitled to make decisions about what other people do, because, you know, it's "really" their place.

posted by kmellis 23 March | 15:35

WHAT.
THE.
FUCK.
MATT?

Sorry.

posted by mullacc 23 March | 15:37

Maybe we could get a discount on Campfire and dump IRC altogether?

posted by eamondaly 23 March | 16:17

I'm going to go wherever loquacious sets up camp.

posted by knave 23 March | 16:31

Dude, not right next to the tent. Go over behind that tree or something.

posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 16:37

Why is the side of my tent and my sleeping bag all wet? What's that terrible smell!?

posted by loquacious 23 March | 16:54

It... it smells like asparagus. Oh, God...

posted by loquacious 23 March | 17:05

Those must have been some funky ass smores.

posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 17:07

What are 'ass smores'? And wouldn't they be funky by definition?

posted by Frisbee Girl 23 March | 17:10

It's ok, people. We've got this mother on lockdown (loqdown?). Anyone who is interested should still e-mail mudpuppie and we'll have this all figured out momentarily.

Taz, Dodgy, I hope you both know you're welcome on IRC all the time. I do hope we still see you from time to time. I still adore and respect you both. My main problem was that I was worried about splintering, but it looks like we've got that under control. We will survive.

posted by Eideteker 23 March | 17:36

Just tell me where to show up, folks, and I'll be happy.
:^)

(((taz & dodgy)))

posted by deborah 23 March | 17:37

The only thing that doesn't make sense is dodgy and I deciding for everybody.

So, in the past, no one was able to set up their own IRC channel? You had to shut down #metachat in order to enable this?

posted by kenko 23 March | 18:05

Well look now. IRC channels eventually eat their parents and grow new limbs. #metachat hasn't really been an open, "official" channel of Metachat, the official chat brother of Metafilter, for a while. The fact there are a pile of Metachatters out there who are sad their "community" has been taken away just shows that #metachat was its own separate community, and everyone who chats there can survive happily in some other channel, without the association to this site. The whole story sound very, very familiar, actually. . .

posted by Jimbob 23 March | 18:43

Eh, I won't ask (so I can just blame ortho in my heart).
posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 13:41

Shorter dano (who also uses the sockpuppet account if "If I Had An Anus" to contribute this): Any problem is just an opportunity for dano to make a dig at someone on his enemies' list.

For the record, I haven't been to #metachat (expect for a short five minutes to give kmellis condolences on his Uncle's death) in the last two weeks.

Dano, you're in your fifties, you're not a little kid.It's high time you learned to get over your petty grudges.

posted by orthogonality 23 March | 18:55

The whole story sound very, very familiar, actually. . .

It's an old tale, told many times. Some more sordid and pointless and fraught with strife than others.

Though similar, this is not one of those tales. See you all on the other side of the proverbial netsplit.

posted by loquacious 23 March | 18:57

You are such a cross-posting hypocrite, ortho.

I understand you are incapable of taking responsibility for your actions, but please just think about how your attitude in this post contributed to this situation (and learn to take a joke).

You might also want to consult the wiki and a calculator the next time you want to insult somebody based on their age.

posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 20:19

Dudes, email. This issue is sticky enough without whatever beef you have between you.

Come on, grow up, both of you.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 20:25

I understand you are incapable of taking responsibility for your actions,... (and learn to take a joke).

Shorter dano hypocrisy: When dano insults somebody it's just a harmless joke. Other people, however, are incapable of taking responsibility for their actions.

Sure, I raised a suggestions about IRC. When things went the other way, I -- without drama -- went my way and left IRC to go its way. I haven't emailed anyone about that or complained, and taz & dodgy's decision was a complete surprise to me.

And sorry, I didn't know your age was listed at the wiki. I was guessing based on the publicly available photos of you with long white hair and a lined face.

posted by orthogonality 23 March | 20:35

Can everybody please mature the fuck up already?

posted by bmarkey 23 March | 20:44

With all due respect mudpuppie and bmarkey, insulting people's age and appearence is entirely over the line. I do not think it's fair for you to equate my comments with his, or to ask that I forego a response.

posted by danostuporstar 23 March | 21:02

Cry me a river dano. You start throwing out insinuations ("so I can just blame ortho"), then you play the martyr. Wah wah wah.

You have long white hair, you don't look young. No insult, just truth.

posted by orthogonality 23 March | 21:10

*removes at least 1 gold star from each entry in filofax next to dano and ortho*

Grrr, I say, grrr.

posted by loquacious 23 March | 21:12

Ai yi yi! Look, I don't know what the problem is between you two, and frankly I don't give a husky fuck. All I know is that it seems to have started somewhere else and leaked over to here. You guys don't like each other? Bummer. You both seem to have good qualities to me, but dragging your feud over here is like pissing in the punchbowl. Emily Post says it's bad fucking form no matter who does it, and I'm inclined to agree.

There are huge portions of this thread that make me realize, once again, that there is a large portion of the populace that doesn't know when to drop it.

posted by bmarkey 23 March | 21:17

robobunny killed metachat. whoever complained about lurking and logging is an ignoramus (who probably runs AIM/ICQ in logging mode 24/7 since 2002 and doesn't even know it) and should have been roundly ignored when the whining started. irc is synonymous with lurking and logging.

posted by quonsar 23 March | 22:23

so, where's the new channel?

posted by quonsar 23 March | 22:24

*Puts danostuporstar and orthogonality in separate rooms in the MeCha
Mansion until they calm down and promise to play nice* If you keep that up, I'll bang your bloody heads together!

I am sorry to see #mecha go, even though I visited very rarely and, when I did, there was almost always nobody home. Still, I can remember the trials and tribulations that went along with #mefi and its quasi-assocation with MeFi which caused reasonably minor but annoying issues from time to time, so fully and absolutely support taz and dodgy in their decision, whatever caused it. This is just one of those decisions that has to be made as the commuity grows from being a MeFi off-shoot into its own world and, as the intersection of the two circles becomes smaller and smaller, this type of decision will have to be made more and more. It won't be long before someone asks "what is this MeFi you all talk about" in the same way that people keep asking about single-dot posts on MeFi.

The only regret I have is that I have a day off next Wednesday and I had mentally allocated a considerable slice of that day to talking shit with my fellow MeChazens, so somebody better sort something out real fucking quick or I will be one pissed-off bunny come Wednesday.

posted by dg 23 March | 22:32

dg, I think you can rest fairly certain that an alternative will be in place by next Wednesday. Everyone should.

posted by mudpuppie 23 March | 22:45

"so, where's the new channel?"

This one?

Information for channel #mecha:

Founder: loquacious
Description: unofficial metachat.org chat
Registered: Mar 23 12:18:27 2006Last used: Mar 23 13:50:02 2006
Options: Topic Retention, Secure
Mode lock: +nt

...and of course the

#wererabbits

...for this week or however long.

posted by kmellis 23 March | 22:57

In small chat channels, nonhuman bots should never be given ops, much less admin privileges, unless they're continuously supervised by a human with equivalent privs and the ability to deop them. Word to the wise.

posted by ikkyu2 24 March | 06:20

How am I going to make any money, now that I can't sell my #Metachat logs to the Chinese government?

posted by Skrik 25 March | 14:39

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