metachat == metametatalk?

True, that's less than classy (as was your comment referenced).

Yeah, hmmm. We need an official divorce decree from the Filter. Or something. Damn that place.

If you're going to have such a strong personality, ortho, you should be prepared to answer for things you say no matter the forum.

In fact, that should be true for all of us.

When you cry foul in such a manner, you sound like a cry baby.

You can try to have it both ways but you lose your credibility quickly.

You know what's really funny, Ortho? I kinda confuse you and danorstuporstar, not like you are sockpuppets or the same person, but just kinda mixed togther in my mental image. I doubt that this post or whatever the fuck dano is doing will clear the air, but someone either stop it and chill with the beefing or get over yourselves or whatever the fuck, because legislating good behavior and making rules about what you can and cannot say is not going to help either.

Last night I drank 8 pbrs and ate a potato with Heinz Baked beans (the uk vegetarian with tomato sauce version) and cheese on it. This morning after wifey went to work ('cause I got manners) I blew up the spot in the bedroom, the fucking cats left, I offended myself. That compared to this was backrubs and Laphroig on the rocks from the poop deck of my 87 foot goth concrete pleasure sloop, "Bela Lugosi's Dead."

someone either stop it and chill with the beefing or get over yourselves or whatever the fuck, because legislating good behavior and making rules about what you can and cannot say is not going to help either.

Agreed.

Rattles chains. Brandishes brass knuckles.

undead undead undead

Hey, I dig both you guys so I'm hoping we can find common ground and put aside our differences. You guys are a lot of fun to hang around with here.

So, at times people may say things that are not entirely considerate of everyone here. I don't think ortho intended to cause any harm.

Both you guys have talked me down from a couple stupid things i've said, which i appreciated.

I hope those who were offended by ortho's post will extend a bit of grace/understanding within our free-form format here. We ARE all chatting/posting without so much hesitation or forethought. We are among friends here.

I thought this place was for friendly chat too, but then I got used to it and became a BIG ASSHOLE!

No, seriously, folks, beef indigenous to mecha seems fine with me, but once you start cross-pollinating with the dirty grey dishrag, you encourage me to become an EVEN BIGGER ASSHOLE!

It is a touch mealy-mouthed to complain about being quoted from elsewhere, particularly when there's still unfortunately a bond (perceived or actual) between this place and that. Kinda like when them pussies get all twisted up over "stalking" when someone bothers to follow links from they user page. Just so much hot air.

But by all means, go at it. I'll be sure to shit all over the thread in celebration (after all, I am just ONE BIG ASSHOLE)!

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That reminds me of the eyeball picture from yesterday, tr33hggr.

That totally freaked me out Hugh. Hey, that's what we need, a good old fashioned freakout fuckfest! Fighting, frankfurters, funnels, figs!

Last night I drank 8 pbrs and ate a potato with Heinz Baked beans (the uk vegetarian with tomato sauce version) and cheese on it

Really? I had 7 schlitzes and some broccoli/cheese rice laced with some chucnks of rotisserie chicken and topped with cheddar flavored french fired onions. We need to collaborate on a cookbook.

No explosions happened. Although sitting in a department meeting today I tuned out the corp-speak of the dept head and listened to my intestines gurgle as entertainment.

Y'all are making me both hungry and sick to my stomach.

Come downtown and buy us drinks and we'll shut up.

Last night I drank 8 pbrs and ate a potato with Heinz Baked beans (the uk vegetarian with tomato sauce version) and cheese on it

that sounds so fucking awesome.

*lights & passes peace pipe*

No way, the Schlitz sounds much better than the PBR.

Y'all are making me both hungry and sick to my stomach.

That's what we'll call the cookbook, explore the whole duality thing, you know, mans inhumanity to man?

Gaspode,

It was awesome (USA baked beans are good on it too) but I slightly underbaked the potato, which was lame,why the fuck does it take so long to bake a potato? I mean I know why it does, but what the fuck?

There is no god.

A Salt & Battery (the fish & chips place that deep-fries mars bars) also does a badass heinz vegetarian beans on toast topped with sharp cheddar.

You stick a nail in it?

Only a toe nail.

I had a pesto and banana pepper pizza and 2 Bass last night. Then I played with Legos.

I hear that new chipper on first and first (b/t 1 &A, close to 1) is better than ASAB.

Wino, you gotta microwave the tater for a while to mainly cook it, then chuck it in the oven to get the skin all nice and chewy. That way you save time.

Oh holy gods I am so hungry. And now jon mentions A Salt and Battery, the place that I have to cross the street to avoid entering.

why the fuck does it take so long to bake a potato?

Didn't the late great Mitch Hedberg do a bit about that? About how he randomly bakes potatoes in the hopes that when its done, he'll want one?

banana peppers rock. At Quiznos I always put loads of the fuckers on my subs, along with some horseradish & honey mustard. Then I get deployed to the Gulf for use as a chemical weapon.

I had a burrito and lots of generic-brand chex mix. And a banana. Then I watched the orange bowl.

Schlitz is better. But there was no Schlitz at the supermarket, there was PBR 12 packs for 8 beans though. They also had the Beast and old Milwaukee for like 4 or 5 a twelve pack, I know the beast well, but can anyone tell me if the Old Milwaukee might be a good buy? I mean 5 bucks a twelve pack, what could be better? The PBR is having a weird interaction with my digestive flora. To say the least, hello nurse!

Hey Ortho,
I think this going really well, what about vous?

Well, time to go heat up my chili for lunch. I've got a hunk of sharp cheddar, some cilantro and lime to go with it.

I 'spect I'll go to the Court Square Diner today for a sliced steak sandwich, medium, with fries, pickles, and cole slaw. Oh, and a Coke (it adds life).

The fries are good there. A touch on the crispy side, but good.

They don't compare to ASAB's of 1&1's or those Belgian joints' either.

Wino, in my mind The Beast and Old Mud are the same.

Last night? I had fucking rocking pork vindaloo that I made the night before. It's always better heated up the next day. I wish there was more and I could be eating it for lunch today instead of my stupid salad.

Stupid salad.

Bring back 3 martini lunch! but I like PBR anyways, it tastes the closest to natty boh when I want to remember Baltimore.

I saw these on the shelf of the Key Food the other day.

I've decided to go crazy now, simply to avoid being noticed.

selfnoise, I feel like I am still watching the Orange Bowl.

Yeah, Old Milwaukee tastes like old Milwaukee's Best.

Stupid salad.

Sounds like something out of a kids cookbook.

Stupid Salad! Made of banana starburst, marshmallows, hominy grits and sardines!

Heh, that sounds like something I would have concocted when I was a kid. I was well known for putting pickles on my desserts... ice cream, meringues, chocolate cake... they all got the pickle treatment.

Wino, you gotta microwave the tater for a while to mainly cook it, then chuck it in the oven to get the skin all nice and chewy. That way you save time.

I know, but I hate microwaves, comes from having hippie parents, when my moms finally relented and let my dad buy a microwave (eco-hippie vs hedonist pothead hippie) I had to stand in the other room with my hands over my genitals while it was in operation.

You're right though (as is Hedberg), it just seems like proof that there is no god or god is dick (like the platypus, same thing, I mean isn't no god or an angry, sloppy and insane god more or less the same thing, shittyness wise?)


Regarding what they are doing out in Wisconsin, I guess I'll see if my palate for the old Milwaukee has changed at all, for five bucks the worst that happens is I'm drunk on bad beer. It's a win-win!

Damn, I like them both! The users, the sites, the beers, the beans, both sets of both, and even the second sets of the sets. Does it matter? It's true.

By the by, my fine dining last night: Andouille sausage po'boy with fries, a side of Jalapeno cornbread, and only one Boddingtons (the liver is still in recovery from this weekend; bad liver). Yum.

rainbaby, I turned it off at halftime. I felt bad about it last night, but now I don't. 1am wouldn't have been a good bedtime for bonzo.

jon- that salad sounds fabulous. Except no sardines.

God is A dick.

Man, otherwise I just wrote the title of a great homocore song, no?

I know, but I hate microwaves,

Really?

We didn't get a microwave till the mid-80's, not because of political convictions, but because my parents are cheap bastards and technophobic. But these days if it wasn't for microwaves, I'd never eat, since I'm lazy as fuck and only the stovetop works on our oven.

Wino: the platypus is merely God screwing with Darwin. he's crazy like dat.

5 PBRs at the bar, then kickass sort of chalupa/fajita things I made with chicken and onions and hot peppers and green peppers and lettuce, salsa, cheese, avocado, and warmed corn tortillas. Yum!

You all are making me so hungry!!! Stoooooop!

I need beer. stat.

somebody get pink a Stupid Salad. Which dressing you want-Doofus & Vinegar, Cream of Moron, or Thousand Idiots?

I like the platypus.

Thousand Idiots, please!

I'd rather marry a duck-billed playpus then end up like poor old Oedipus Reeeex...

Toobers n' zots?

I know, but I hate microwaves,

Really?

Jon lad, I know this rarely comes up at the bar when we are talking about foghat and cheesehorns but I am actually like a commited cook and foodie and I like gas ovens and spending hours cooking, I'm a food nerd.

Dame,
I like the platypus too, especially because of the poison claw they have, weird and deadly, what could be better than that?

The milk tooth baby snakes use to cut through their shells.

Oh, I enjoy the eating of the food (even fancy shit), and sometimes even the cooking of the food, but I hate the cleaning of the plates, so that's out for me.

foghat and cheesehorns

sounds like a nautical emporium. or possibly a naval themed gay bar.

The Thousand Idiots dressing would be a good, viscous fluid to use for wrestling contests. Much better than mud or jello.

Who doesn't love the platypus?

Who doesn't love the platypus?

The orphans of their victims?

The platypus is an eminently lovable beast.

Dude, I just found out that porcupines and hedgehogs can throw their quills. Why did no one tell me this before?

They can??!! Awesome!

A Salt & Battery (the fish & chips place that deep-fries mars bars) also does a badass heinz vegetarian beans on toast topped with sharp cheddar.

Now you're making me hungry! Esp. as last night's din was Annie's mac and cheese. It was good and all, but still . . .

You folks are great. I've had fun reading this thread. Metafilter has really, really, sucked for me the last couple days. You have restored my faith in online-not-sure-if-ya'll-are-real-pixel-people.

I'm gettin' Subway.

Also: hedgehog
≡ Click to see image ≡

That dosen't look a thing like Ron Jeremy, dude.

My friend has Rons autograph on a Fat Burger wrapper, he met the hedgehog in a home depot in LA at two in the morning whilst shopping for axes because he was high on crank (my friend, who knows what ron was high on).

Now is that perfect or what?

Hell, the other day I saw Chris Noth on the fucking R train. He looked more like a dissolute reporter or professor than a detective. Plus, can't that mofo afford a cab?

Who the fuck is Richard M?

It's actually a myth that porcupines throw their quills. They do, however, smell pretty bad.

Who the fuck is Richard M?

Don't be coy with us, Richard M.

We know.

ortho, I have apologized to you several times in the past. I have also gone out of my way to say nice things to you when I felt I could sincerely do so.

Is there any way you could find it within you to reciprocate, just once? If you could admit that I may have reason to feel wronged by you, it would make it a lot easier for me to stop bothering these good people with our spat.

I kinda confuse you and danorstuporstar

I know it's really fucking stupid, but that feels like a punch to the stomach. I've made over 1000 comments here and probably less than a dozen have made any reference to ortho (and some were jokes about the silliness of it all). To think that those handful of comments outweighs all the other contributions I've tried to make here, well, it kinda hurts.

Plus, can't {Chris Noth} afford a cab?

He likes to mingle with the common folk. I've seen him on the street and at parties. He's a slut. Bwa ha ha.

OMG jrossi4r! My friend is such a liar. He thought I was so dumb because I didn't know that. We'll see who's dumb now.

Who the fuck is Richard M?

Don't try to stall, man. We've herd everything about you now. Hell, we gnu it all along anyway.

Heh, that would be cool...then I could grow a beard.

That's odd... I immediately thought of Richard M. Nixon.

He likes to mingle with the common folk.

He does? Suprises me, because my man did not look happy. Looked more like he looked into his lunchbox to find that mom packed him a shit sandwich.

Take him to the mat with your superior knowledge, dame!

Dano,

I actually really meant like (you know when some posted that metatalk thing "how do you visualize metafilter?") somehow in my mental image you two are kind of overlapping, which could be based on something or on nothing more than some brain fart of word association or tone association or the fact that you somehow got tied in together by having a feud. What I was really trying to say is how weird that you two have some kind of running fight going on and in my own fucked up head somehow you are related at some subconcious level. I admire and respect your contributions so I hope you feel a little less punched at the least. I wasn't trying to belittle you or orthogonality, although I was maybe being a little bitchy because I find this sniping annoying and somehow entertaining, which highlights petty flaws in my own personality, which makes me mad.
I realize you didn't start this thread...

Sorry.

I understand Wino. I've thought for some time that my inability to just ignore ortho was hurting my reputation in the MetaVerse, but each time I decided to snark at him I felt it was worth the damage. So I don't blame you for confirming my fears, on the contrary it will probably help me hold my tongue in the future.

But I did want to share how I felt. Thanks for the apology.

I don't get confused, but I do wish we could all just get along. Which, is, of course, a two way street. You've sometimes got to go along to get along.

*hugs the everwise omiewise*

Thank you.

late to this party, not bothering to read 81 comments, but i gotta say: it's the web. the web features links. someone made a link. how this makes metachat a repository for evidence for hoo ha mmmmph mmmph ack thpt is beyond me. you got burned. get over it.

Hey, I'm just here for the amusing conversation and occasional Wino/jonmc luv.

I have two things to say and neither of then have to do with the original purpose of the thread:

1. I was once bit on the stomach by a hedgehog. She did not throw her quills at me.

2. I took myself out for sushi last night and I ate so much that I'm still a little full.

*pockets TrishaLynn's comment for future use against her*
(*hopes she'll hold it against me*)

I like sushi, but I can't see it as that filling no matter how much one eats.

Jeesh.

Dano - Could we please keep metachat out of the metatalk wars. It's going to be seen as an invitation to bring the metatalk shit over here. And we don't want that.

Ortho - Don't whine like that, it's really annoying.

Now mummy is going out to scrape up some dinner from the middle of the road. I expect this place to all cleaned up when I get back.

ortho, I have apologized to you several times in the past. I have also gone out of my way to say nice things to you when I felt I could sincerely do so.

Is there any way you could find it within you to reciprocate, just once? If you could admit that I may have reason to feel wronged by you, it would make it a lot easier for me to stop bothering these good people with our spat.

Dan, I'm not remembering any nice things, other than your (I admit, surprising) defense in the cell-phone thread. Or any apologies. If I'm forgetting something, that's my fault.

No, I don't admit that you have reason to feel wronged -- and I even if you do feel wronged, you shouldn't be giving voice to your grudges in unrelated threads. That just pollutes Mefi and Mecha.

We don't have a spat, Dan. You, have some need to bear a grudge, and you bring it up only when there's an ortho pile-on. I don't. For the most part, I've ignored you. I haven't subjected anyone to "our" spat. I haven't called you out for this prior to this thread, and I wouldn't have even done it in this case except that I think cross-linking from Mecha to Mefi sets a very bad precedent for everyone here, not just me.

Mecha, especially, is somewhere for people to let their hair down, joke a bit, have a bit of fun. You shouldn't be using those relaxed threads as fuel for your grievance machine.

That's cowardly.

And it's dishonest: you actually defended me in cell-phone thread, but then linked to it when you could use it to get a blow in on Mefi.

Your initial issue with me happened when you made a mocking post, and I made a mocking comment. Adults know that's what happens when happens when they make mocking posts. Then you made a big martyred deal of "leaving" mefi because -- in a mocking thread you posted -- I, in that same spirit, mocked some people too.

Since then, you'll act pleasantly enough until you see I'm being piled on, and then you attack. Rather than air your grievances honestly, or in privately in an email, you wait until there's an ortho pile-on, and then show up with a torch and a pitchfork.

And that's cowardly Dan. You're a coward.

After DanOStuporStar "left", your sockpuppet "If I Had An Anus" showed up in a thread to make its third comment, an attack on me. That was dishonest, because you pretended to be an objective third person. And it was cowardly, because you created a sockpuppet account just to get in an attack on me.

You're a dishonest coward Dan.

And then in several subsequent threads, rather than honestly brook a grievance, you waited for a pile on, and brought up some old grievance.
That's intellectually dishonest: rather than criticizing me on the merits, you just re-stirred old pots.

And it's the coward's way, Dan.

Because you'd invariably never brook a grievance yourself, I assumed things were OK between us. And then when enough other people had piled-on, heroic Dan would show up to kick me when I was down. You're a coward, Dan.

You couldn't own up that you'd posted a mocking thread, so you pretended to leave Mefi "because of bad old ortho", and then you showed right back up as a cowardly sockpuppet.

You (your sockpuppet, that is) made ambiguous comments that you knew could be interpreted as physical threats concerning the meetup, and then you've disclaimed those threats as "just jokes". Maybe you were trying to reach out; maybe you were trying to rattle my cage.

It's impossible to tell, because you're a passive-aggressive coward, Dan. You act friendly until you can get a dig in, dredging up "meetup this" and "cell-phone that".

You defend me in the cell-phone thread on Mecha, then dredge it to slam me up in the latest pile-on in Mefi. When I try to update some software (against my better judgement; no good deed goes unpunished) you wait for that to turn into a pile-on, then you show up with the completely unrelated "ortho gave his real name at the meetup -- wah!" link.

You're a troll and a coward, a passive-aggressive little man who acts pleasantly until, in the safety of numbers, you can get a dig in.

I've been piled-on numerous times; each time, I've tried to answer my critics as fairly as I can. I haven't lurked around bearing grudges and waiting to kick you when you were down. Honestly Dan, I thought you were being a bit thin-skinned to leave over my mocking comments in your mocking thread, but I had no reason then, and no inclination later, to bear you any grudge. I just don't have the time to worry about Dan or track Dan's posts or lie in wait for chances to "get" Dan.

I have strong opinions, often minority or unpopular opinions, but I've never employed a sockpuppet, either to avert criticism, or to pretend to objectivity, and certainly never to attack anyone. I've been piled-on a lot, and I don't really have much issue with those who piled-on on topic. Sure, I don't enjoy the piling on, but if someone wants to tell me they think I'm wrong, they're entitled to that opinion. I certainly don't call those commenters cowards.

What's cowardly and dishonest is your, Dan's, tactic of using new issues to flog old grievances.

You're a coward Dan. You and your sockpuppet.

Wow, umm, ok.

Dodgy, I promise to never acknowledge ortho's existence here ever again.

Sooooooooo.... I had a really yummy sweet potato burrito for lunch. God bless meatless dishes that fill a man up.

What is the connection between Metafilter, people flipping out, and the word "Coward", anyway? Please explain.

Dodgy, I promise to never acknowledge ortho's existence here ever again.

Well that's not really what I'm saying.

I'm just requesting that you (and anyone else for that matter) don't post metachat into metatalk - if it starts to give the impression that this place is just an extension of that place then it'll go to hell before you know it. And of course it invites threads like this.

Ultimately you guys can do what you like, but if you value this community then you must realise that this cross-posting that both of you are engaging in is not good for the community.

And jesus christ ortho, what the hell was that? No wonder you broke your damn keyboard. I mean can't you just call each other cunts and get it over with?

Umm, OK, probably not the best choice of words there under the circumstances but I'm sure you get my drift.

Le sigh. I like you both.

Well that's not really what I'm saying.

Well, that's what I'm saying. I pledge to completely ignore him here -- and I hope to be reminded of my pledge should I fall off the wagon.

Using ortho's comment in the way that I did was wrong. But I hope something like Mitheral's use is not what you are referring to. It's meta-meta-meta-metaness pleases me greatly.

Dano: It all depends where. ^_~

*slips dano and ortho some peyote*

*sends them off on a vision quest*

*days later, they return the best of friends*

*hope hope hope*

Dinner Party

The best advice when dealing with nutjobs: ignore them.

Or knife fight. Whichever.

The best advice when dealing with nutjobs: ignore them.

works for me.

Whoo, comment #100!

can't you just call each other cunts and get it over with?

This should be the metachat tagline. It works as both compliment and insult, gives homage to the sexual innuendos that fly fast and thick around here, and it's catchy.

And, also, jesus orthogonality, don't you think that comment goes a bit far? I understand that you feel wronged, but what does that comment accomplish, exactly? I think it was clear you were pissed before, that comment makes it difficult to think that your goal is to live and let live.

And, just to be clear and fair (?, whatever that means in this situation), I also thought that IIHAA's invocation of the cell phone thread was bad form, and unlikely to contribute to any sort of reconciliation.

Frankly, I've gotten to the point where anytime one of these grudges rears it's head I cringe. I'm not suggesting that I'm above it, there are a person or two who get my blood hot right out of the gate, but when I'm not involved and see it (particularly if I like both the posters involved) it seems self-evidently destructive on all sides.

oh, orth.
oh, dano.

i don't know the history but you guys made me read meta for the first time in ages.

at a glance i didn't think it was more than a one liner. i didn't like the use of mecha but i didn't know there was any big animosity behind it.

i like that people made some good comments here about it and i blogged of another meta thread i thought had a glimpse of hope.

rather than add more to the "you don't know me" thread i add something here:

i don't know much about most of you. i don't know your histories and squabbles or even sexes, races, ages, faces, places, procilivities or whatnot unless it comes up, sticks, or is pertinent and i kinda like it like that for different reasons to many to number now.

i try to give things a fair shake on the first face of things here.

so far i appreciate you both on this perhaps thin surface.

i could go into many details and referenced points.
i could point out the meritable remarks made by others and make another egregious long post.

instead i think i'm going to wiki up my own originator rights on the "tactical derail"
which has been misappropriated as much as the seeming non sequitor to let the cursory viewer make ignorant assumptions of this place.

now i've been the biggest proponant of not meta talking here but if people will allow me one, i will, of a different thread, because it's about metachat and metachatter that i think bodes of mefi/mechat to come.

i just got up a little bit ago and there is a lot to catch up on.

And, also, jesus orthogonality, don't you think that comment goes a bit far? I understand that you feel wronged, but what does that comment accomplish, exactly? I think it was clear you were pissed before, that comment makes it difficult to think that your goal is to live and let live.

This business with Dan has been going on too long; I keep thinking he's gotten over it, only to see him (and another "net stalker") showing up in unrelated threads purely to pursue their grudge. Rather than continue to tolerantly put up with it, I decided to take arms against these seas drainpipes of troubles. I hope this accomplishes that.

(My acerbity is only increased, and my patience severely diminished, by not having had a cigarette since New Year's. It's remarkably like having the flu, fever, and a low-grade migraine, coupled with a strong desire to choke the living shit out of the world. Pardon me if I'm whinging.)

orth, i have it on good authority that this week has been taxing for many: illness, lack of sleep, changes (chemical, personal, enviromental, etc.), etc. etc. and people are trying to adjust as they can.
i think most people should, if they haven't yet, take a hardy nap or do whatever restores and relaxes.

i don't know the history. i don't want to right now. it only recently came to my attention dan wanted an anus.

i really don't know either of you, but i haven't really given a thought of disliking either of you either.

but if you're both going to drag mechat to meta and meta to mechat
i may take my opportunity to do it myself as mentioned above.

hell, i may do it anyway.

i've been surprised and mistaken a bunch in what wee bit i thought i knew of different members of different pages, but i'm hoping you have the perspective to see above and beyond whatever this is.
i'm more miffed at the anus for posting there in a sense but you brought it here.

please read both lola g and divine wino's first comments without rancor.
this is kind of more a problem of method than madness.

if you guys really find after some time and thought that you do both need to get this out of your system with a referee, i'll do it if you both agree.
grab your seconds, set a time and we'll convene via chatroom or messenger
but think of the children
not in front of the kids

let's not upset the kids anymore. they're having fun and playing nice despite being tired, cranky and going through withdrawl

feelin' me?