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06 June 2005

Paranoia (The Destroyer) I just wanted to thank a certain user for alerting me to amberglow's comical bit of fluff from three days ago. Amber himself didn't bother to email me, so I'll give him the same discourtesy.

It is galling & cowardly for you to come to another message board and accuse someone behind their back of something so deluded as "tactical posting". Talk about a "loose relationship with the truth".

If you read the post itself, you'd see I noted it was a relatively balanced piece, and since I'd only seen it posted on someone's blog—a Left leaning blog at that, fwiw—the day before, I posted without giving the date any consideration. Subsconsciously, I assumed it was new, but frankly since it hadn't been posted before I don't see what difference it makes. You calling it a "hit piece" had me laughing, but this really took the cake:

"I'm not as much as a partisan as JenLeigh, obviously."

Yes, I'm so partisan I post glowing things about the UN, or impeaching Bush, or about homeless vets. But to MeFites I'm a "neocon" til the end because either you can't be bothered to get to know me or you're too lazy to make subtle distinctions.

I "timed" the post to counter the others? You have got to be kidding us. There was no "spin" and no "timing" involved. It was no more or less earth-shattering than any of the other political bits that are posted DAILY by a number of users, yourself included. I have criticized the Iraq war more than once, and I have zero impetus to smear Sy Hersh one way or the other. If you read the article, you'd see it wasn't so much the author calling Hersh a liar, it was about how Hersh himself constructs "lies" (in his own words) to get his points across.

So amber: I've been lurking on MeFi for five years and I have never, ever heard you recant or apologize for anything no matter how many people have pointed out your misjudgments. You never waver from the same predictable talking points and you never admit wrongdoing, putting you right on par with certain public figures you skewer for those same reasons.

There is "Partisan", and then there is "lost in the cocoon of your own stubborn ideology", and right now that's about nicest thing I could say about you.
posted by jenleigh 06 June | 19:19
I stand by what i said. I read that article in New York in April--when it came out. Posting a 2-month-old news article about the honesty of a certain person--the person that told the world of the existence of pics and videos that just the day before a judge had ordered released--smells.

I said so in your thread (i.e., galling but not cowardly), and i asked about it here. It smells.
posted by amberglow 06 June | 19:39
And i'm not the only one who noticed:
This smear job is about seven weeks old, and rather silly.
posted by fleacircus at 1:57 AM EST on June 3 [!]

... and was brought up then on a previous jenleigh thread.
posted by fleacircus at 2:07 AM EST on June 3 [!]


posted by amberglow 06 June | 19:49
But to MeFites I'm a "neocon" til the end because either you can't be bothered to get to know me or you're too lazy to make subtle distinctions.

*buys jenleigh a beer*

(This is a one-of-the-guys gesture, I am not flirting. I am already carrying a torch for matildaben and ethylene leaves me flustered and stammering with her combination of non sequiturs and brilliant posts).
posted by mlis 06 June | 19:52
but which are which?
you may be sucking on the wrong part of my anatomy
posted by ethylene 06 June | 19:57
I stand by what i said.

What a shock.

You stubbornly stand by your words. And by "words" I mean the outright falsehoods you created by accusing me of deliberately posting an article as "distraction". Which, I think I explained fully above, was never a "motive", not even remotely close.

So essentially, you're calling me a liar. Is that accurate, amberglow?
posted by jenleigh 06 June | 20:00
Prediction: This is going to end badly.
posted by dg 06 June | 20:04
predicting like judging is not always best in heat of action
posted by ethylene 06 June | 20:09
I'd have to go with yes.

Even in this thread:
...and since I'd only seen it posted on someone's blog—a Left leaning blog at that, fwiw—the day before, I posted without giving the date any consideration. Subsconsciously, I assumed it was new, but frankly since it hadn't been posted before I don't see what difference it makes. ...

That very link was posted (when it was new) in April as a comment in a previous thread of yours. fleacircus pointed it out to you early on in your post. (link above)

(going to hear a friend sing--back later)
posted by amberglow 06 June | 20:20
I never clicked the link in the "previous thread", thus I had never seen the article before. Nothing smells but your knack for dodging accountability.

I have little other explanation other than what I already gave. Not only did you start an off-site thread calling my post politically "tactical"—utter.bullshit.—but you've called me a liar now that I've explained it.

How do you justify this?
posted by jenleigh 06 June | 20:29
metachat: the continuation of MeFi grudges by other means.

I kinda hoped that this would be a fun zone where the grudges and personality conflicts of the Blue would be left at the door. Guess I was wrong. That's a drag.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 20:33
people have all kinds of idea what mecha is and what mefi is. it's still growing up.
it's easy to see both their sides but it just shows how thinking too highly of this site or any leaves people in the poo.
posted by ethylene 06 June | 20:44
hey, guys, there's this great new thing -- it's called e-mail, and you can use it to write/flame/whatever other people you like/hate/whatever. it's a very good tool, worth a try. if you have an Internet connection it's free, too
posted by matteo 06 June | 20:44
...a fun zone where the grudges and personality conflicts of the Blue would be left at the door.

The two are not mutually exclusive.
posted by nomis 06 June | 20:45
I too vote for the fun zone and we can work to keep it that way.

In this instance, though, jenleigh was correct to make a post.

jonmc: isn't it about time you bought a round of beers? Sheesh.
posted by mlis 06 June | 20:45
Seriously though, it's not exactly "chat", is it?
posted by nomis 06 June | 20:46
Hell, I'll buy the beers as long as everyone promises to get along.

...and jonmc reimburses me for out-of-pocket expenses
posted by nomis 06 June | 20:48
depends on what you call "fun"
posted by ethylene 06 June | 20:48
I'm all out of beer after the two leftover schlitz's from last night. I just mixed 5 fingers of Skyy with some Minute Maid Citrus Punch. Wanna sip?

depends on what you call "fun"


I don't think "pointless unwinnable pissing contests" are on anybody's list.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 20:49
jon, Skyy (like Grey Goose) has such a clean, crisp taste that it seems to me that it's best enjoyed quite dry -- either a really dry Martini or straight up. it doesn't mix very well, imo
posted by matteo 06 June | 20:51
but if posting opinions freely ceases to be fun
look at what happens

i'm a ketel one girl, myself
posted by ethylene 06 June | 20:52
I've always been a brown liquor guy, matteo-bourbon, scotch, Irish whiskey. I've never really enjoyed the taste of vodka or gin, but it's what's in the house, so I mixed it with the juice. It's not that bad. Call it an Outer Borough Screwdriver.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 20:53
I am not flirting.
i can vouch for that. he barely touched me.
posted by andrew cooke 06 June | 20:55
It could have a certain entertainment value, like what I imagine "Big-Brother" would be if it were a text adventure.

I'd love a sip. Just a wee one though ... it's not yet 11am here. And I have 9 months worth of receipts to sort through to justify expenses.
posted by nomis 06 June | 20:55
i still want a thunderdome area
with liquor of choice, clear or brown
posted by ethylene 06 June | 20:57
Mmm, booze. I quite agree that vodka is best in martinis, and that bourbon or Irish whiskey is better (in general, not in martinis). I'm very agreeable today.
posted by nomis 06 June | 20:57
I am not flirting.

Ok, then. Let me take over.

*bats eylashes, bites lip, smiles shyly*

hey, where'd eveybody go??
posted by jonmc 06 June | 20:57
shhh, six feets on
posted by ethylene 06 June | 20:59
I quite agree that vodka is best in martinis

I don't much care for vermouth. Here in nYC, there's a disturbing trend of calling anything in a martini glass, a "martini." Beer in a martini glass? Milwaukee Martini. Piss in it? Masochist Martini.

I had some Pucker Schapps laced contraption called a Watermelon Martini. It wasn't too bad, but I was disappointed that it wasn't garnished with a wedge of watermelon, but that woulda tipped the glass over. C'est la vie.

shhh, six feets on

I avoid all those hep cable series like the plague. TV isn't meant to be smart, it's meant to be mindless fun. Maybe Green Acres is on...
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:01
Beer martini sounds like a very expensive way to drink beer. I'm going home to Auckland for the weekend and I'm looking forward to the beer: with all due respect to Australia, their reputation for bad beer is well-deserved.
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:06
by the way, I had a big sweaty juicy Chimay Belgian beer when I came home after a really heavy workout this afternoon. the weather here is sweltering. I hadn't drunk alcohol right after the gym in ages. now I remember why.
bad, bad idea.
posted by matteo 06 June | 21:06
mmm, chimay is good. You ever had any of the Unibroue beers out of Quebec. Brewed belgian style. La Fin Du Monde is a special favorite, although the high alcohol content gives it an effect bordering on the narcotic.

Speaking of beer, this weekend my relatives were regaling us with stories of their alcoholic Irish neighbors back in the early 60's. My nonno used to refer to the father as "biretta."
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:10
So essentially, you're calling me a liar.

Hey, AFAIC, you're guilty of nothing more than haste and inattention. But what if he is? Keyboards at dawn? I don't care if you were "posting tactically"--it's called PR; you wouldn't be the first--and I can't summon even that much interest in your outrage at being accused of such. So maybe just say "sticks and stones"?

As for the important questions: I'd drink the Skyy straight, too, instead of mixing it with Minute Maid.

TV isn't meant to be smart, it's meant to be mindless fun.

Nothing wrong with mindless TV fun, but "smart" + "entertaining" is two great tastes for the price of one. Can't understand why someone would shun "smart" and praise "mindless" TV unless the thrill's in the pose.
posted by Tacky O. Assis 06 June | 21:11
and in honor of the Euro contingent in here I just fired up 6 songs in a row* by Status Quo, the UK's equivalent of Skynyrd. But great drinkin' music on a hot night.

*"Caroline," "Down Down," "Gentleman Joe's Sidewalk Cafe," "Ice In The Sun," "Paper Plane," and "Spicks & Specks."

Boogie, you fools!
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:14
Can't understand why someone would shun "smart" and praise "mindless" TV unless the thrill's in the pose.

I like "smart" entertainment just fine, but it just dosen't jibe with my TV habits of siting down with beer and chips to veg out. The smart stuff is better suited to a movie theatre or a book or the web, even.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:16
I don't think "pointless unwinnable pissing contests" are on anybody's list.


Hey jonmc, I can direct you to a website that would prove differently.

;-)
posted by deborah 06 June | 21:16
Euro-rock. Today I will be listening mostly to Amaral, a Spanish group (I'm almost certain), having just been given the disc by my esteemed colleague and told it's good.
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:18
I can direct you to...
if it weren't down.
posted by andrew cooke 06 June | 21:19
The continent has coughed up it's share of great stuff. Wally Tax & The Outsiders were especially good. Sort of a less frenetic Dutch Rolling Stones.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:20
The Quo
posted by blag 06 June | 21:22
The Quo are like Skynyrd in a lot of ways. People pretend to hate 'em but for drunken boogieing they can't be beat. I think Noel Gallagher (of all people, I hate Oasis) said that "paper Plane," was one of his favorite songs.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:23
It was all downhill after Pictures of Matchstick Men.
posted by Armitage Shanks 06 June | 21:25
I don't think "pointless unwinnable pissing contests" are on anybody's list.
They aren't much fun if you are inside them, but a barrel of laughs to watch and take potshots from the sidelines.
posted by dg 06 June | 21:27
Armitage, that's a great song (I have original pressing 45 somewhere, it's one of the killer psyche guitar riffs) and I'll admit that Quo are all about "big and dumb" rock, but they're really good big and dumb rock, and sometimes we all feel big and dumb. If we don't we should, it's fun.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:28
My current favourite continental group is Refused, although they wound up their act in 1998 I think.
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:28
The smart stuff is better suited to a movie theatre or a book or the web, even.

I won't suggest you change your viewing habits, I just don't understand the assertion--which I hear occasionally--that TV must be stupid to be entertaining. I do understand the desire to just watch pretty pictures. Sometimes I have an unhealthy fascination with the Style Network.
posted by Tacky O. Assis 06 June | 21:31
I remember discussing old school rock with a Brit in a bar once, and compiling a list of "Lost In Translation" Brit hard rock bands that should have been huge in the US but weren't:

Staus Quo
Slade
Sweet
Mud
Motorhead
Terrorvision
Thin Lizzy
Mama's Boys
UFO
Saxon
Raven
......any others?
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:32
which I hear occasionally--that TV must be stupid to be entertaining.

That isn't my assertion. It's more that stupid fun suits TV's delivery system and the culture surrounding it (vegging on the couch killing time) better than smart stuff.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:33
Diamondhead

(Just ask James or Lars)
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:33
nomis: Am I Evil? I am Man!


...and if we're venturing into NWOBHM territory, we should add the almighty Girlschool to the list.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:35
we should add the almighty Girlschool to the list.

Hit and Run is a classic. Enid is my hero.
posted by Armitage Shanks 06 June | 21:42
Rocktastic, jonmc: I love the Metallica version of that song, but the original is lightyears much better.

if we're venturing into NWOBHM territory

Saxon already took us there.
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:42
lightyears much better ... because we all know lightyears are the standard measure of metalness, and that any mention thereof requires a misplaced adverb to show one's rebel street cred
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:44
Their collaboration with (his majesty) Lemmy & the rest of Motorhead on a cover of Johnny Kidd & The Pirates "Please Don't Touch," is a fucking masterpiece. And Kim & Kelly fueled this 'bangers teenage fantasies.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:45
Stream (asf) od aforementioned metal/punk (both Motorhead & Girlschool qualify as both) masterwork.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:47
we should add the almighty Girlschool to the list.

Hit and Run is a classic. Enid is my hero.
posted by Armitage Shanks 06 June | 21:48
So if you drink Unibroue beers, do you have to go get your eyebrows waxed afterwards?
posted by matildaben 06 June | 21:50
does anyone besides me think that Lemmy & Iggy should do some kind of Grumpy Old Men duet?
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:50
Update: Amaral are indeed from Spain, and they're not bad. Kind of like Shakira but less rock and more lisping.
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:53
more that stupid fun suits TV's delivery system

You might be right, to a degree. But there's nothing about the technology or cultural uses of TV that make pretty pictures or half-assed sitcoms necessarily more suited to the medium than 6ft Under or Angels in America or CBS Playhouse. I think it's closer to the truth to say that that's the way you prefer your TV. And that's ok.
posted by Tacky O. Assis 06 June | 21:54
Can you imagine it? Lemmy standing in one spot, leaning back for the mic, while Iggy pogos around the stage frenetically.
posted by nomis 06 June | 21:54
Tacky O.: It's worth noting that even mindless entertainment has quality standards. There's a universe of difference between The Honeymooners and Two And A Half Men, if you catch my drift.

(Although I still can't figure out what alice did all day. 2 room apartment, 3 peices of furniture, what the hell was she cleaning?)
posted by jonmc 06 June | 21:57
it's my justification for holding off cable cancellation for the time being

metal, booze and wha?
*endlessly looking for car keys*
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:06
I just found my copy of the Supersuckers country cover of "Breaking The Law." I may die of sheer joy.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:08
It's worth noting that even mindless entertainment has quality standards.

Bubeleh, not for a moment do I disagree! And God knows I've scheduled plans around more mindless entertainment than The Honeymooners or Green Acres. It's just that I'm ok with TV that tries to be more ambitious than the usual run of tube drip, too.
posted by Tacky O. Assis 06 June | 22:11
Even I am, on occasion. Homicide: Life On The Street is one of my all time favorites.

I'm glad you mentioned Green Acres. Remember the episode where a beautiful woman moves into Hooterville and Eddie Albert goes over to visit, and Eva Gabor gets all jealous, and when he gets home, she yells "How many boozes did you have?"

That killed me. And became a catchphrase around the house for a while. How come those dipshits at the networks don't know how to create fun like that anymore?

I'll curl up with my mp3 of the German version of the Mr Ed theme (no joke) in the meantime.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:15
TAcky o:
oh hear hear
and let us no forget the post modern pleasures of good actors in bad roles

that's what cable's about
or use to be

i'm just falling out of a tv caring mode
and it's an expensive habit
like smoking
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:17
Actually, one of the main reasons that I love bands like the Ramones, the Dictators, The Dickies, The Supersuckers, nashville Pussy etc. is their unironic embrace of bottom-feeder American culture. Since, hey, it's the background noise of the enviornment we all grew up in, right?
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:18
we who, white boy?
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:23
we who, white boy?

TV signals cross racial borders. And Sanford & Son and old Mandrill records are as much part of American bottom-feeder culture as The Jetsons and Lynyrd Skynyrd.

I'll give an example of what I mean. When I worked as a clerk in a bookstore in a strip mall, one day me and two ther employees (a polish kid from yonkers and a black guy from the projects) were looking out the window at the yard surrounding the mall. "What a mess," one of them said, looking around at all the garbage swirling in the breeze. "Yeah," I answered, "All we need is an Indian with a tear in his eye to make it complete."

They instantly understood and laughed. It's our lingua franca, like it or not.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:29
good lord, do you have to take me so literally?
do i have to ditch all the obvious jokes?

*stares at you from the midwest*
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:31
*tear in eye at all the garbage*
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:32
I knew you were fucking with me a bit. But it's a pet theory of mine, that old reruns will provide more cross-cultural unity than any speech or manifesto.

Supposedly, suspects arrested in third world countries demand to be read their miranda rights, since they've seen that on Starsky & Hutch reruns. Go, American TV!
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:33
Just wait until they've watched 24.
posted by Armitage Shanks 06 June | 22:36
They'll just hate us for making bad TV shows. Make 'em watc Dragnet instead and they'll be clamoring for democracy.
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:38
"Marijuana is the flame, cocaine is the fuse, and lsd is da bomb--"
-- Friday
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:50
*runs from the books of mc*
posted by ethylene 06 June | 22:51
and Law & Order is nothing but Dragnet with moral ambivalence. They even have the "doink doink" as a "dum da dum dum dum."
posted by jonmc 06 June | 22:52
jonmc, don't mess with the "doink doink". Lenny was the coolest cop ever.
posted by arse_hat 06 June | 23:23
i'm home! and i see there's yet another post about this, but this time on MeTa.

my friend was out-of-this-world wonderful, and he name-dropped me in a song! : >
posted by amberglow 07 June | 00:37
"i see there's yet another post about this" But where do you stand on Law & Order?
posted by arse_hat 07 June | 00:40
Law & Order? is that some new -tini i haven't heard of yet?
posted by amberglow 07 June | 00:43
Not really new...
posted by arse_hat 07 June | 00:50
ahhh...

I guess someone wasn't satisfied with my response here, huh?
posted by amberglow 07 June | 00:58
"I guess someone wasn't satisfied with my response here, huh?" Great, now I need to start a monkeyfilter thread about this.
posted by arse_hat 07 June | 01:00
Don't tempt me!
posted by dg 07 June | 01:03
"Don't tempt me!" (Blows kiss toward dg. Wiggles arse.)
posted by arse_hat 07 June | 01:04
Great, now I need to start a monkeyfilter thread about this.
Well, someone will, now that the MeTa one has been closed.
posted by amberglow 07 June | 01:11
I'm saying she posted it to start spinning the whole situation--a tactical move. Why post an article from April otherwise?

I'm not as much as a partisan as JenLeigh, obviously. I don't dredge up and post old disparaging stories just as a legal action was taken about the man whose words set the whole thing in motion. --amberglow


OMFG you nitwit.

You've somehow created a MeFI persona's that simultaneously ditzy, paranoid and stubbornly self-righteous, and I no longer care how many who've met you at meetups protest you're "really nice"—you're obviously a douche when it comes to honesty. You called a perfectly nice poster a liar when she gave you their explanation.If nothing else, you should acknowledge making accusations off-site is tasteless & weaselly. Your head is characteristically far up your ass on this one.

But will you apologize for getting it wrong?

(Will unicorns descend from GumDropLand and start singing?)
posted by dhoyt 07 June | 01:16
Jenleigh, you're looking at this the wrong way. The irony of amberglow accusing someone else of "tactical posting" is hilarious. Surely that gave you a good laugh.

This isn't the first time amberglow has objected to a conservative post. It kills him that they even exist (no matter that 95 percent of all political post on mefi are pro liberal/anti conservative).

And yes, email would have been nice, but there's no group "attention" given to a private email, and so wasn't considered I'm sure. Besides, that would require the smallest amount of class.
posted by justgary 07 June | 01:25
I warned you not to tempt me. Now see what you have done?
posted by dg 07 June | 01:26
Too damn bad, dhoyt--i don't buy her explanation at all. A suspiciously-timed re-post of a link that was in that very same poster's own earlier thread 2 months ago? Get fucking real. And, again, i'm not the first one to point that out.

Look in a mirror the next time you feel the need to call someone else names, dhoyt. I called her out in that very thread, as did fleacircus--there was no response. I posted here about it, questioning whether it was kosher, since i obviously didn't think it was.

douche? look in the mirror, hon--or is it that you don't read the threads that result from your posts either? is that it? do people make FPPs and then not even read the comments? funny...
posted by amberglow 07 June | 01:27
oh, justgary, have you found truth yet? did it lie inbetween right and left? let us all know when you do.
posted by amberglow 07 June | 01:28
(hides arse!) (what have I wrought?)
posted by arse_hat 07 June | 01:36
i'm a ketel one girl, myself...

Jeez, just realized that was ketel one not kegel one.
*Revises first impression*
posted by y2karl 07 June | 02:49
I warned you not to tempt me. Now see what you have done?

The endless loop of posts is slowly killing me. I keep doubling back on myself saying, "I don't get it."
posted by tracicle 07 June | 06:06
In case you happen to return here Amberglow I would like to go on record saying that I think it was ill-conceived of you to start a thread about your deductions about jenleigh's posting motivations - either in this forum or in MeTa actually - it should have been via email.

FWIW I'm fairly ignorant in that I haven't read all of the threads or linked articles cited. But at this point, I don't think that really matters. AT ALL.

I object to your deductions. Period. It reeks of the same style employed by the insinuative Heywood Magroot in his attempt at flailing of TDDL the other week but with much much much less evidence.

I actually haven't formed an opinion about jenleigh's politics although I've sometimes seen some very abusive criticism of her here and there. If I had to 'rate' her style of posting, to the extent that I ever remember most members, it would be that she contributes from different spheres of life and not just politics so I'm less likely to envision her as a barrow pushing zealot of any particular persuasion. And in any event I do specifically remember a couple of the threads from her posts in which I was involved and my thinking was not particularly dissimilar to jenleigh's.
And I'm a loonytunes lefty like yourself. Or at least, I have leanings that way, but still like to hear balanced input, sadly often lacking from many a person's post on politics to the blue.

Also, Seymour Hersh --- the article in dispute if I've correctly divined the context, refers to his apparent or alleged loose lips style when he is the subject of an interview doesn't it? Well, that is OLD news. I may be in Oz but I respect the guy's track record, but just after the Abu Ghraib piece he (thankfully for everyone's sake) wrote, I heard him (or read something) that went into great detail about his hedging with the 'truth' when he was speaking with people. I thought it odd at the time but it (or he, I forget) made it plain that he maintains different styles for print or speaking forums. I still think it's odd but I'll still read what he has to say. But like anything I ever read, it's without blind acceptance - I try to judge everything on the merits of the case presented.

And I don't think you've really done that here Amberglow. jenleigh has outlined her side and you've called her a liar. I really really really think that's unfair and it will gain you a lot of credibility if you were to publically apologize. By all means, maintain a skepticism of her political beliefs and argue them out in the blue threads. But it's patently illogical for you to maintain the theory without evidence. It's not "where there's smoke.." criteria. Seriously.
posted by peacay 07 June | 06:20
What peacay said. I like you in person, amberglow, and I share a lot of your politics, but you're being a complete dick here. You seriously do seem to think that anyone who has different opinions from you is barely human and deserves no courtesy whatever. I pay as much attention to people's humanity as to their politics (well, more, actually), and I think I'm pretty good at distinguishing assholes from civilized folks on both ends of the political spectrum. Jenleigh has political views I don't agree with, but she's been consistently polite and nonconfrontational, and there's no reason whatever to think she's not telling the truth. (No, I don't always click on all the links in comments in my threads, either.) You made a mistake, you made it worse by continuing your vendetta here, and like the man said, it would gain you a lot of credibility if you were to publicly apologize. But you probably won't, because like jenleigh said, I have never heard you recant or apologize for anything. Ah well.
posted by languagehat 07 June | 09:37
Now someone should post a link to the monkeyfilter discussion in sportsfilter, and their livejournal (just to be sure) and the circle will be complete.
posted by drezdn 07 June | 09:38
I propose that the first rule of MeCha is that we keep the grudges, ax-grinding, and personality conflicts of MeFi out of here. You wanna do that shit, take it somewhere else. And no bad-mouthing people behind their backs. That's a grade school move.
posted by jonmc 07 June | 09:44
Eat shit, jonmc.
posted by trharlan 07 June | 09:51
chomp on a mouthful of my taint, tharlan.

In happier news...

How come shit like that never happens when I'm on public transportation. Winos relieving themselves on the subway.
posted by jonmc 07 June | 09:58
...dosen't count. dammitall.
posted by jonmc 07 June | 09:59
On the train last night a drunk told me about the badgers and how they're taking over the world. "They're neither black nor white" he told me, "that's creepy."
I asked him about the hedgehogs. He said that hedgehogs were evil also, but the badgers were the leaders, so they were the ones I had to watch out for.

true story.
posted by seanyboy 07 June | 10:05
Badgers are evil, there's no getting around it, but it's the moles who are really scary. You don't see them, but you know they're underground, doing who knows what... or is it the voles? Dammit. See if you can find that drunk again and ask him.
posted by languagehat 07 June | 10:11
Don't even get me started on the chipmunks...
posted by jonmc 07 June | 10:11
After we determined there was a global (almost masonic) conspiracy run by the badger overlords, he kept asking me if I hated the badgers. I asked if he was working for the badgers. He said no.

So I looked scared, said I was joking and started saying how much I liked the badgers. He kept telling me to say something bad about the badgers, but I refused.

At my stop, I said I was just getting off here, but I didn't live here, and anyway I loved the badgers really.

He said "I think you hate the badgers."

I did one of those false laugh things and bolted.
It was a hilarious conversation.
posted by seanyboy 07 June | 10:19
I'm having flashbacks to the Thread Which Shall Not be Named: watching a stubborn user who is clearly wrong plug his ears, close his eyes, and avoid accountability like it was kryptonite rather than admitting a misjudgment. Is AR your sockpuppet, amber?

For Christ's sake, the girl gave a benign explanation for posting and your response is "it smells, i stand by my words". Show a minimum of class and at least apologize for starting an offsite thread just to cast aspersions on her diabolical "tactical posting" methods.
posted by dhoyt 07 June | 11:07
Rub my pussy!
posted by Mean Mr. Bucket 07 June | 11:17
Surely, seanyboy, the drunken gentlemen you refer to was a fan of the University of Wisconsin Badgers, rather than the animal itself. The UW Badgers are the greatest college team in the NCAA, and their fans are renowned for their rabidity and drunkeness.
ON WISCONSIN!
posted by Wedge 07 June | 11:42
seanyboy is evil. And I love him for it.
posted by deborah 07 June | 12:24
Don't even get me started on the chipmunks...

What about the chipmunks?! They're little creatures of light, I tell yuh.
posted by Specklet 07 June | 12:28
except for that Alvin.
posted by jonmc 07 June | 12:29
Oh. Well. That's different.
posted by Specklet 07 June | 13:21
amberglow, I never thought I would say this (usually you are the voice of reason not anger), chill out on this one. Even if you are right about her motives, which would seem out of character for jenleigh, who cares? Let it lie, or at least just agree to disagree.


Oh, and go Badgers!
posted by caddis 07 June | 15:09
That must be a lengthy apology you're whipping up, amberglow. You're taking time to do it right. It's cool. I admire that.
posted by dhoyt 07 June | 16:35
Don't forget the one owed for the gratuitous cheap shot at Alex Reynolds who had nothing to do with any of this, John Q. Self-Righteous.
posted by y2karl 07 June | 17:12
I skipped all the way to the bottom, I promise to re-read it all later. PROMISE!

Anyway, jenleigh said:

>Yes, I'm so partisan I post glowing things about the UN, or impeaching Bush, or about homeless vets.

Now that's tactical. Excellent work.

>But to MeFites I'm a "neocon" til the end because either you can't be bothered to get to know me or you're too lazy to make subtle distinctions.

I think you're right about the "getting to know me" and "subtle distinctions" but not the laziness part, I think a lot of effort goes into the conclusions.

Good show!
posted by gsb 07 June | 17:13
Don't forget the one owed for the gratuitous cheap shot at Alex Reynolds who had nothing to do with any of this, John Q. Self-Righteous.

Karl,

I searched your MeFi comments history for "y2karl +cheapshot +lastword" and my motherboard exploded. You owe me.
posted by dhoyt 07 June | 17:26
I skipped all the way to the bottom, I promise to re-read it all later. PROMISE!

Anyway, jenleigh said:

>Yes, I'm so partisan I post glowing things about the UN, or impeaching Bush, or about homeless vets.

Now that's tactical. Excellent work.

>But to MeFites I'm a "neocon" til the end because either you can't be bothered to get to know me or you're too lazy to make subtle distinctions.

I think you're right about the "getting to know me" and "subtle distinctions" but not the laziness part, I think a lot of effort goes into the conclusions.

Good show!
posted by gsb 07 June | 17:29
Good show!
posted by dhoyt 07 June | 17:31
Should goad!
posted by dodgygeezer 07 June | 17:35
got wood?
posted by seanyboy 07 June | 17:36
How in God's name did it appear twice.

TWICE!
posted by gsb 07 June | 17:45
are you people really asking for someone to throw themselves on the altar of humility for your benefit?

a stoun ding
a maze ing
shocking

works great for the comic book version
*scribbles*
posted by ethylene 07 June | 18:43
I too am waiting, but I suspect amberglow has decided to walk away and pretend none of this ever happened. I hope he proves me wrong, though.

On preview: when you wantonly and wrongfully insult someone else in public, an apology is not too much to expect.
posted by languagehat 07 June | 18:44
i really don't think so
people to people
person to person
but this has the heavy scent of public drama between assumptions put to the loftiest level of people projecting their own issues on two people who are just clumps of text to each other.

people want an end to their story, like they are following an arguement in a restaurant and chasing them down the street to find out what happens
posted by ethylene 07 June | 18:55
Personally I think we should stop with the silliness and start (meta)chatting.
You know, about silly things ...
like breakfast and desktops.

There should be a sidebar (called the naughty step) for users that have been given a time-out for bickering.
posted by seanyboy 07 June | 18:56
hey, that's my line
posted by ethylene 07 June | 19:00
but I suspect amberglow has decided to walk away and pretend none of this ever happened.

You suspect wrong--i'm walking nowhere. I've said all i need to--repeatedly.

And "wantonly" is simply hysterical. So is the white knight act.
posted by amberglow 07 June | 19:05
*sits back, thinks that with the spectacle of dhoyt v. y2karl and now amber v. languagehat this thread has potential*

ethylene: come sit next to me.
posted by mlis 07 June | 19:09
you're all hands and thumbs, mlis

dude, i was not trying to pick scabs here
but with everyone weighing in with and without personal investments, i finally wanted to weigh in with mine and the only thing i find interesting about it:
that anyone needs some world wide justification for anything is idiocy.

i think i'm probably the only person present to have their real life kinda fucked around my mefi, hence i have a right to an opinion.
all i see are postures of pride
that no one needs to justify but to people who think they are playing.
posted by ethylene 07 June | 19:17
by mefi

and if anyone really wants details, i'll make the stupid thread about me
posted by ethylene 07 June | 19:18
and there's an extra to by the people
posted by ethylene 07 June | 19:20
I'm sorry for wasting everyone's time.

I was in the wrong for protesting Amber's behavior, and he was right to suspect the most diabolical of intentions on my behalf.

Full disclosure: Karl Rove pays me commission for every "hit piece" I post about Seymous Hersh. I was saving up for a pup tent and hoping this last post would put me over the edge.

Amber's response here is cooperative, compromising and humble:

"I've said all i need to--repeatedly."

You see, he's said what he needs to say repeatedly, over and over, and thus by sheer numbers he has proven himself to be correct in the end.
posted by jenleigh 07 June | 19:25
ok, so if someone goes, yeh jenleigh
what then?

i'm sorry you feel persecuted but is it really his fault or is he just a great pole for your position?
posted by ethylene 07 June | 19:31
whether you discover you are an unwitting pawn or become the next president
i just don't see what satisfaction is to be gained
right here right now
people have picked sides that have nothing to do with your politics.
do you want him to say you are right or just have some sad sign of concession bullied on by the masses

unless you have people monitoring this for other reasons
what do you get out of it?
posted by ethylene 07 June | 19:42
The expression is "all thumbs" and it most certainly does not apply to me - you have zero chance of getting me to fix any two-cycle engines you may have. :(
posted by mlis 07 June | 20:03
just for jenleigh:
now that you're wondering who the hell i am
consider for a moment that this site is not an extra mefi feature
i have no idea how old your are, where you are, who you are
and you have none of me as far as i know.
if this is the only thread in this site you are checking, find the dumb fable on the jonmc
(who i fear i have empowered)

i understand how you feel and why you feel what you do but
if you feel that having your ideas countered is too devastating to your identity, figure out where to disengage.

same to the lot of you.

i've already thrown myself on the altar of humilty once on this site
for the satisfaction of the viewing audience
period

ps. stop following me mindlessly, mlis. my cat is dead
posted by ethylene 07 June | 20:14
just rounding up the number, people
calm down
now let me disseminate in leisure and darkness
i still need coffee
SHeeSH
posted by ethylene 07 June | 20:29
Ah well. Anyone for pancakes?
posted by languagehat 07 June | 20:44
meet me by the bunny with the haircut
posted by ethylene 07 June | 20:46
the jonmc
(who i fear i have empowered)


I empower myself, baby.

*clamps jumper cables to nipples and gas stove, waits patiently*
posted by jonmc 07 June | 21:08


I would suggest this thread and amberglow's stupid petty tactical posting thread be deleted and this never spoken of again.
posted by y2karl 07 June | 21:54
ethylene: que?
posted by jenleigh 07 June | 23:31
You people are still here? FOr fuck's sake, go home already.
posted by dg 08 June | 19:39
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