What'll they call the chocolate flavor, 44DD Fudge?

I'd rather go naked than wear ice cream.

They're calling it Edible Complex!

I'll be the dad who fesses up:

Cow milk is better. No thank you, PETA.

Ha! I killed it in an embarrassing manner! Take that!

It's too bad PETA has to be so freaking extreme to the point of insanity. I mean, their basic point - don't be cruel, be humane -is completely worthy. But by acting like wingnuts and suggesting that we should somehow live on earth without making use of the resources of any living animal, they lose the opportunity to get broader support for things like better oversight for factory farming, mandated healthier conditions, pet licensing, etc. Even vegans eat dead bugs. It's impossible to take them seriously.

hear! hear! miko!

broader support for things like better oversight for factory farming, mandated healthier conditions, pet licensing, etc.

Without a glint of insanity, pushing these issues would get zero press.

I'm just bummed no one got my You Don't Know Jack reference.

PETA sucks and I am embarrassed to be a vegetarian (18 years!) when they pull stunts like this.

That being said, thinking about the grosssssssness of this idea actually does make me reflect on the origin of the milk products I so consume, and it bothers me. It bothers me anyway, but reading this made me think about it again. So although I don't think vegetarians are their primary target, I guess it did have the intended effect.

Even vegans eat dead bugs. It's impossible to take them seriously.

Hmm. I know some pretty committed vegans and I find their lifestyle not only admirable but IMO kind of inspirational. They're not crazed, preachy wingnuts, but people who are really informed about food, are amazing cooks who make everything from scratch, and are very active and fit. (I know a female vegan bodybuilder, even.) I think if you sit down and talk to any veg*n you'll find that almost all of them are realistic about their diet -- it's not a religion, it's a series of choices you make every day to minimize your use of animal products.

Of course there are bad examples in all walks of life, but I think the vast majority of vegetarians are earnestly trying to do their best, so I don't like to see the ways in which their lifestyle is imperfect or (sometimes necessarily) inconsistent being picked on.

loiseau: I don't think the "them" in that second sentence refers to vegans; I think it refers to PETA. So it's not "It's impossible to take vegans seriously" but "It's impossible to take PETA seriously"

If PETA was trying to completely ruin eevn the faint taste I had for ice cream, congratulations to them.

There's two things that PETA does not do.

1. Eat meat.
2. Impress me.

PETA has to be extreme? I can remember when PETA were pretty adamant about the no fur / leghold traps / whaling / seal clubbage, and sure that was ok. Earth First! were seen as the hairy-eyed radicals as they used guerrilla tactics that occasionally got a little stupid (and once started that terrible outbreak of zombies). It's weird that EF! are calm compared to PETA who are ranting like they're in the advanced stages of syphilis, or like they have rabies. From being bitten. You know, by an animal.

PETA's all about the media attention, but they're not terrorists like the lab-firebombing SHAC and the nutjobs who dug up the body of the grandmother of the guinea pig breeder. That's some extreme shit, and PETA's silly press releases about human milk ice cream and naked Pamela Anderson and Naomi Campbell are far, far preferable.

Most veg*ns I know recognise that they can't eliminate animal products altogether - otherwise they wouldn't be able to use a computer, drive on a bitumen road or use tyres - and do what they can within their control.

I think they just got whacked out on mushrooms and were reading old Piers Anthony stories. I think the story in question was called "In the Barn", but I haven't read Anthonology in over twenty years.

Earth First? No no no, that's not what I meant at all. I meant to say the Animal Liberation Front. commenting at work is hard.