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06 November 2007

Grammer filtar: Suppose one was daring enough to use the word "encomium" in a sentence. Would one say "An encomium to X" or "An encomium for X"?
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Option 1 gets 36,000 hits on Google, option 2 gets 10,000 hits on Google, but I'm not taking that as an indication of correctness.

Also note: I'm not grammarist, but I have to deal with a lot of people who are.
I think it would be "encomium of X", actually.
posted by Specklet 06 November | 16:00
Wow, that makes sense. Didn't even think of it! And Google weighs in with 42,500 hits for "encomium of". Niiiiiiice.

Specklet, you're kind of a goddess.

Does anyone disagree? (On the grammar, not on Specklet.)
posted by agropyron 06 November | 16:05
I also instinctively go with "of," but I can't say I've ever seen the word "encomium," let alone used it, so I can't back that up.
posted by occhiblu 06 November | 16:07
Note to self and others: This thread is not about baby poo-poo, as I'd originally thought.
posted by mudpuppie 06 November | 16:08
Aw shucks, I was just performing an extension of my amanuensis duties...
posted by Specklet 06 November | 16:10
Hmmm, this shows "upon" and "about."

"Upon" strikes me as so nicely archaic that I would be tempted to go with it.
posted by occhiblu 06 November | 16:11
Amanuensis is one of my favorite words.
posted by rainbaby 06 November | 16:31
When you say "grammarist", I think the word you are looking for is "grammatician."
posted by matildaben 06 November | 16:32
Note to self and others: This thread is not about baby poo-poo, as I'd originally thought.
Heh. I thought the same.
posted by iconomy 06 November | 16:34
The dictionary on my computer uses "encomium to" in the example.
posted by drezdn 06 November | 16:37
Ask languagehat. He knows. He just used that word the other day on MetaTalk.

When you say "grammarist", I think the word you are looking for is "grammatician."

I thought it was "grammarian."
posted by amro 06 November | 16:40
"Grammarist" means someone who discriminates against those with poor grammar. I was riffing on the MetaFilter meme where everyone ends their posts with things like:

[Not ageist!]
[Not racist!]

I'm [Not grammarist].
posted by agropyron 06 November | 16:49
For what it's worth, the New York Times (which probably employs a pretty strict style guide) seems to prefer "encomium to" someone rather than "encomium for" someone.

"Encomium of" seems to be used in the sense of a particular piece of praise. (i.e. "...bestowed the encomium of 'Jazz Master' to a handul of distinguished veterans...")

This jibes with the way I have generally heard the word used.
posted by dersins 06 November | 16:49
The OED (Los Angeles Public Library what what) has the following examples:

1589 PUTTENHAM Eng. Poesie I. xx. (Arb.) 58 The immortall gods were praised by hymnes, the great Princes and heroicke personages by ballades of praise called Encomia. 1613 BEAUM. & FL. Honest Man's Fort. III. i, You..Should sing encomiums on't [marriage]. 1711 STEELE Spect. No. 139. {page}3 If we consider this wonderful Person, it is Perplexity to know where to begin his Encomium. 1846 DICKENS Old C. Shop xxx, He brought in the bread, cheese and beer, with many high encomiums upon their excellence. 1875 JOWETT Plato (ed. 2) I. 139 Many tales, and praises, and encomia of ancient famous men.

So that's encomium of, upon, and on.
posted by mdonley 06 November | 17:01
Note to self and others: This thread is not about baby poo-poo, as I'd originally thought.
Heh. I thought the same.

Me three.
posted by dg 06 November | 17:05
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