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30 April 2007

Sister update [More:]I just spoke to my sister on the phone, she's fallen out with her best friend, Val. They've known each other for over 30 years and Val has seen Lesley through her 6 marriages and umpteen ups and downs. There's even been a couple of times Lesley has had to move in with Val and her husband.

Anyway, Lesley said she's had a big bust-up with Val, and even before she said it, I knew it would be about a man. Lesley's started seeing someone over the last ten days or so and she said Val doesn't approve. I said that Val's probably concerned for her welfare, but Lesley doesn't see that, she just thinks Val's interfering. She said Val thinks her new boyfriend doesn't "tick the right boxes".

It turns out he's even younger than the husband she recently split from (who is 30) "but he looks about 30" - my sister is nearly 51. He doesn't drive, doesn't work and he lives in a really bad part of town - a ghetto - but she said he has got plenty of money (er, from where?) Lesley has already met his family, and she said he stays at her house most nights. So after knowing him little more than a week she's sleeping with him.

I asked her that, bearing in mind Andy has only recently said he will start divorce proceedings (he's divorcing her, she said she'd agree if it didn't cost her anything), wouldn't it be sensible to be a little circumspect for the time being? I had to explain the meaning of the word to her, but she has absolutely no concept that it might not be a good idea to be doing this.

She's always been "I want it and I want it now!" and her need for instant gratification and lack of impulse control will always win out over taking the sensible option. It could impact on the financial issues if she is in a new relationship, and although I'd told her this to her when she was thinking about going speed-dating, the idea that she might have to wait a few months before dating again is something she cannot contemplate. The weeks from Dec-April from when Andy left to when she met this new man is the longest time since the age of 14 that she has ever been single.

I realise I sound like an old moralistic granny, but Jeez, the woman has been through this so often. She fell out with Val over her fourth husband, who she met on her birthday on 29 June one year and married him on 1 September, with everyone saying "please don't do this, think about it". And that all ended horribly. I can see the same thing happening again, but she'll be left with nobody to help her pick up the pieces.

essexjan, I am not trying to be snarky or anything-I am serious when I ask this.

Could your sis be bipolar? This sounds like the life story of about half the people on a bipolar forum at any one given time.
posted by bunnyfire 30 April | 13:04
I can see the same thing happening again, but she'll be left with nobody to help her pick up the pieces.

She has you, right?

I mean, I see what you're saying -- It's hard to see someone you love making the same mistakes over and over again. And I imagine that as long as she's close with Val it takes a little of the heat off of you to be available for her at the inevitable (?) end of something you never approved of in the first place. Do you think that their 30 year friendship is permanently busted? It sounds as though they've had rows in the past, and made up -- is that their pattern?
posted by amro 30 April | 13:06
hate to say it but your sis has got some serious issues, echoing bunnyfire somewhat there are mental health issues somewhere here. I would be concerned about her as well, but can hardly fault the friend for throwing up her hands and not wanting to have anything to do with it. There is only so much we can do for the ones we love before letting fate run its course unfettered. finding that threshold is a tricky thing
posted by edgeways 30 April | 13:08
Poor jan. :(

It always sounds like you're showing your sister a great deal of compassion and understanding even when she's driving you nuts. I admire your patience a great deal.
posted by occhiblu 30 April | 13:14
*hugs essexjan*

You're a sweet, thoughtful, caring bunny, ej, and my heart goes out to you. Back in my trainwreck days it was friends like that who finally helped me see that the one common denominator in every disaster was me, so maybe that's what needed fixing. It takes a lot of patience to stick with someone until they realize that, though, and a lot of strength to cut them off when they need a rude awakening. I hope your sister sees the light; it sounds like she's got a long way to go. Don't neglect your own sanity or heart in the meantime, though. You've worked hard to get where you are in that regard. Too bad she hasn't followed your example yet.
posted by elizard 30 April | 13:25
hate to say it but your sis has got some serious issues, echoing bunnyfire somewhat there are mental health issues somewhere here.

One of the things she took great exception to was that Val suggested she might need counselling.

I'm glad I live far enough away from her to not have to deal with this on a one-to-one, although I am going up to visit her at the end of next month.

She's had bust-ups with Val in the past, always over the same thing - the next unsuitable man. And she's always needed Val when it's over. But I'm sure she's getting fed up with seeing the same pattern repeating over and over, with no change or growth and just the sound of my sister going "waaaaaah!"
posted by essexjan 30 April | 13:35
Is she your big sister or your little sister, jan? Did she have the same rough upbringing you did..or was she spared it somehow? I just wonder if her swinging from man to man isn't her misguided coping mechanism, the way drinking was for you.
posted by jrossi4r 30 April | 14:33
She's my big sister, 3 years older. Although we grew up in the same house, her upbringing was very different - she was the princess who got everything she wanted and she could do no wrong in my dad's eyes.

And the consequences of that have played out through her adult life - she can't keep a job because she can't handle responsibility if she's in charge, or being told what to do if she's an underling, and her neediness and inability to spend any time with herself lead her into repeating the same patterns over and over where men are concerned.
posted by essexjan 30 April | 14:41
Jan, if it's any comfort, friends like Val are friends for life. My wife had a friend that has gone through some terrible times, most of them brought on by her own lousy decisions. She started running with a different crowd and all but abandoned her friendship with my wife (they've known each other longer than I've known my wife and we've been married almost 23 years).

Anyway, when her life came crashing down around her, she went running to my wife (her "new friends" turned out to be not too friendly), and my wife is doing all she can to get her back on her feet.

A friendship of 30 years doesn't just end. Your sis has a good friend, and even if she isn't happy with her right now, Val will be there for her.
posted by Doohickie 30 April | 22:08
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