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22 January 2007

A Cautionary Tale about Sewers, Roots, and Gurgling Toilets (very long) If you own a home and do a lot of the maintenance on it yourself, you may find the enclosed story marginally interesting. Others, move on by, nothing here to see. It started with[More:]my wife mentioning that when she showered, the toilet was gurgling and the water level in the toilet slightly rising, then falling to nothing. I pretty much knew it was roots in the sewer line, (our sewer pipe goes under a couple huge cedar trees in the back yard) and while they were not totally blocking the flow, they were acting as a filter and drastically slowing it down when large volumes of water were in the pipe, such as from a shower or laundry.

I had had the sewer "rooted" out 5 or 6 years ago, so this was not a huge surprise. Since it was not totally stopped as of yet, I went out a and bought some Copper Sulfate and flushed it down the toilet, then a few days later I got some big chunks of the stuff from the plumbers at work and put it directly into the line. In a few days, the problem seemed to be taken care of. This lasted a few carefree months until the gurgling came back.

One of the things about copper sulfate is that it will only kill the roots that it touches, so the lower part of the pipe area will be free of roots, but the majority of the pipe section will still have roots hanging down. There is a foaming root killer which says it will foam up in the pipe and kill all the roots, but I could not find it around here.

So, with a lot of internet research, I convinced myself that I could rent a machine and snake the pipe out, thereby paying $25 instead of $88 that a visit from a plumber would cost during the week. I did not want to miss work so I reserved one of these sewer snakes for this last Saturday.

At this point I need to say that I am paranoid to perhaps an unhealthy degree about house maintenance. I seem to constantly be waiting for the other shoe to drop, in the form of a roof collapsing, electrical fire, or, in this case, the sewer line collapsing, thereby costing lots of money that we do not have. So I was scared nearly to paralysis about even calling the plumber and being at their mercy vis a vis what needed to be done. I also have to say that I do a LOT of projects around the house, and succeed at most of them.

So, after a fitful night's sleep, I go rent this machine, (I decided to rent a 3" machine even though my sewer is 4". It was more manageable and I felt less of a chance of personal injury with the smaller one.) come home, pry up the deck board that is over the sewer clean-out, and start snaking the pipe. It goes slowly but well and I am pulling roots out, but then I get to a point where the tip of the snake is going THUNK THUNK THUNK and not going any further and binding up (which is dangerous because the snake can twist on itself with a lot of force and if you have a finger or arm in there, bad news) so after 5 hours, I get very tired and dirty and discouraged.

In addition, the line is TOTALLY plugged up by then, apparently with the roots that I had cut flowing down and forming a tight dam against the roots that I could not get through.

So, with my emotional state (see above) very ragged, I go in and say I am giving up and that, rather than living with the slowed-down sewer, we are blocked now and nothing gets out (and my daughter had deposited "solids" in the toilet during that time) and I am calling the plumber and paying weekend rates.

This lead to a long and difficult exchange with my wife about listening to her first, about why does this happen on a weekend, etc etc.

The plumber eventually comes, and, after he got his behemoth machine offloaded and around to our deck, it took all of 90 seconds to cut the roots in the entire remainder of the line and get the water flowing fast (and there is a certain secure feeling that comes from looking down in a sewer line and seeing fast water. OK I'm weird.)

So, instead of paying $88 the day before, I paid $25 for the machine rental and then $132 for the plumber's weekend rates (and this plumber is the "best" and "most reasonable" in town, that I know of).

Plus the emotional meltdown. Plus a loud argument with my wife in the back yard, in earshot of a number of other back yards.

And, after all that, I am mainly kicking myself for not renting the 4" auger in the first place.
This probably won't calm your wife down, but look at this philosophically. By doing most of the repairs and maintenance yourself, you save a LOT of money overall. The flip side, of course, is that sometimes you can't do a job you thought you could and once in a while it costs you more money. But explain to your lovely bride that overall, if you do 12 jobs in a year and only screw one of them up, you're still probably a thousand dollars ahead.

It doesn't fix your budget this month, but you'll feel better next month when you fix the oven by yourself and save $150 from the appliance repair guy. ;-)
posted by Doohickie 22 January | 17:46
Your story made me giggle, danf. Only because it so sounded like something we'd do. We've come to expect that every project we take on is, in fact, a learning experience. Sometimes we succeed. Sometimes we fail. But we never fail the same way twice. That $150 taught you some things about your pipes that will ultimately save you $$ in the long run.
posted by jrossi4r 22 January | 18:04
and there is a certain secure feeling that comes from looking down in a sewer line and seeing fast water.

So true. When I was a kid, our family home had to deal with quite a few root-sewer pipe problems. Except we got to call up my dad's friends in City Water and Electric, and they'd send out a 4-man team to "find the source of the problem"!
posted by muddgirl 22 January | 18:27
Except we got to call up my dad's friends in City Water and Electric, and they'd send out a 4-man team to "find the source of the problem"!


Well there was this equipment here at work to "borrow" but such behavior is not sanctioned, and the culture here is that if you are in a "responsible" position, which I am, you do not do that sort of thing. If you are lower on the ladder, go ahead but do it under the radar.
posted by danf 22 January | 18:57
If you're getting root growth into the line all along its length, you should be planning to replace the line, or at least sleeve it. Root intrusions aren't just a periodic inconvenience, they are a primary destructive mechanism for sewer pipe, because the growing roots can easily breakup even cast iron pipes and joints, given enough time. With clay or concrete pipes, the damage is much faster. Sleeving the existing pipe, even if it is already crumbling, can vastly reduce future root intrusion, by denying the roots leakage water which fuels their growth.

You can typically sleeve a sewer line for about 35% - 40% of what it costs to replace it, and you'll have no need to pull permits, or do soil studies, as you do in some locales. But, you need to do the sleeving when the decaying pipe is clean of roots. Now might not be the best time, if you don't have the money, but if the pipe caves in at some future point, before you can sleeve it, and experiences additional degradation all along its length, you may have no choice at that time but to replace it.
posted by paulsc 22 January | 20:20
Well out of maybe 100 feet, I have 10 to 15 feet in the middle (under the big tree) that is subject to roots. I hear you about lining or replacement. I am hoping to stay on top of the roots with chemical applications and annual mechanical removal.
posted by danf 22 January | 23:40
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