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12 November 2006

In Honor Of Veteran's Day Weekend. The Vietnam War and it's legacy, in song.[More:]

Johnny Wright Hall - Hello Vietnam
Monitors - Greetings (This is Uncle Sam)

The draft was a fact of life for young Americans of certain demographics in the 1960's, especially the demographics described by the audiences for country and soul music. Neither of these songs is explicitly anti-war (the Hall song actually uses some Cold War rhetoric) but neither sounds thrilled about what's to come. To the contrary, there's a mournfulness and dread in both of them.

Elegants - A Letter From Vietnam (Dear Donna)
Johnny Cash - Singing In Vietnam Talkin' Blues

Both these songs address, in different terms, the experience of the war itself. Italian-American doo-woppers the Elegants load their song down with sentimentality and hokey sound effects, whereas Cash in describing his trip in-country to entertain the troops, communicates pure dread, but they both in their way attempt to do the same thing: bring the war home.

Bob Seger System - Two Plus Two Equals Question Mark
Monks - Monk Time
Mad River - Orange Fire
Jimmy Cliff - Vietnam (live)
Champion Jack Dupree - Vietnam Blues
Freda Payne - Bring The Boys Home

As the war dragged on for years, the apprehension and anger of the American people grew as they worried about the fate of their sons, daughters, husbands and friends and whether it was all worth the endless carnage.

There were several folkie songs protesting the war specifically, but it was a while before the rock and R&B groups got in on the act, which was important because they reached a larger audience and that aforementioned audience was far more likely to wind up in Vietnam. The Seger, Monks*, and Mad River tracks all are contenders for the first rock and roll songs to address the coflict in Southeast Asia specifically (as opposed to merely being generically anti-war), and all three are eloquent and musically stunning. The Cliff, Payne, and Dupree songs are all explicit protest anthems as well, by turns angry and mournful.

Auditions - Returning Home From Vietnam
Curtis Mayfield - Back To The World
Charlie Daniels Band - Still In Saigon

As in all wars, the men who fought them eventually returned home, undeniably changed. In Vietnam, as opposed to other wars, they returned home alone, undebriefed, with the conflict they left behind unresolved, to a country that had changed irrevocably. The songs above address this from the POV of the veterans themselves.

Whispers - P.O.W. - M.I.A.
John Prine - Sam Stone
Swamp Dogg - Sam Stone
Walter Brennan - Ruby, Don't Take Your Love To Town
Bruce Springsteen - Born In The USA

The legacy of the war, of course continued long after the fighting had ended. Soul group the Whispers took on the issue of those Missing In Action, a difficult topic, because while the sacrifices and suffering of these men and their families can obviously not be denied, the exploitation of the issue by subsequent demogogues is also undeniable as well. Jonh Prine's song (also eloquently covered in a soul version by R&B maverick Swamp Dogg) tells the heartbreaking story of a drug-addicted veteran and his family. 'Ruby,' sung here by western movie stalwart Walter Brennan becme something of a cliche in the postwar years, but the lines about the 'insane Asian war' and 'patriotic chore' illustrate how deeply the legacy of the war had sunk into the American conciousness.

Springsteen's song may be the most probleematic one here, since it was grossly misinterpreted by many as a jingoistic call-to-arms rather than the howl of anguish and frustration that it actually is. The drummer in Bruce's first band, Bart Haynes (far left) was drafted and died in Vietnam, so Bruce felt this personally, like many Americans.

With our country currently embroiled in another pointless war, with another nation being decimated, and another batch of young men returning home dead or damaged, we'd do well to listen to what's contained herein methinks.

*the Monks were a group of GI's stationed in Berlin during the Cold War and one of the great proto-punk bands
Wow...great post.

I have that Monks album.
It's interesting how much American pop culture was affected by the Vietnam War...and the Cold War.
I was talking to friend who's a decade younger than me and she said that as she got into 80's new wave and post punk she was amazed and just how many songs mentioned the bomb.

I've yet to hear any contemporary songs as powerful as these. It's kinda depressing.
posted by black8 12 November | 14:15
Me too, black8. That album is amazing, as is the book , Black Monk Time written by one of their members. My father was drafted in 1966 and served a tour of duty in Qui Nhon. He never got his CIB (Combat Infantryman's Badge) thankfully, and I remember at his 60th birthday party last year, my aunt read a speech describing how, when my Dad was overseas, a Western Union man knocked on the door of their house late at night and the whole family held their collective breath. It was something for my grandpa's store. I know several other guys who were combat veterans of that war, and I know several people here (Miko, anastasiab) are children of Vietnam Vets as well. I also know that with the crap going on in Iraq right now, this stuff is as timely as ever. The legacy is all around us.
posted by jonmc 12 November | 14:23
I also know that joe famous has several uncles who served in Vietnam as well, and pips brother was a surgeon on a Navy ship, but he was thankfully never called into action.
posted by jonmc 12 November | 14:26
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posted by jonmc 12 November | 14:42
Great post jon. But Curtis Mayfield and Walter Brennan seem to be M.I.A.
posted by arse_hat 12 November | 14:50
(just tested the links, they're working fine. try them again)
posted by jonmc 12 November | 14:53
Walter just worked but not Curtis. Must be a YSI blip. I try again in a bit.
posted by arse_hat 12 November | 15:03
Iris DeMent - There's A Wall In Washington

I remember hearing somebody say that every American has a personal connection to names on that wall. And I searched my mother's hometown, a hamelet of less than 10,000 people and found three names. My dad's home neighborhood yeilded 21 results. It's still sadenning even now.

posted by jonmc 12 November | 15:22
Many thanks for this, jon. I saw John Prine do 'Sam Stone' in concert a couple of years ago. I wept.
posted by elizard 12 November | 15:33
To search the wall yourself
posted by jonmc 12 November | 15:39
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posted by Lipstick Thespian 12 November | 15:50
There's a powerful poem called, "Facing It", by Yusef Komunyakaa, about a Veteran of the Vietnam War visiting the Memorial. Yusef Komunyakaa himself was a soldier in Vietnam; in fact, his whole first collection, Dien Cai Dau, is about his experiences in Vietnam. I had the pleasure of meeting him once at a workshop at the University of Miami when I was there. He was a very generous critic for one of my poems. He continues to be one our countries finest poets. I expect him to be Poet Laureate of the United States in the near future. The link offers both the text of the poem and an audio file of Komunyakaa reading.
posted by Pips 12 November | 19:13
(I had the pleasure of watching jon work on this post today, by the by; a very meaningful endeavor for him, and quite the magnificent post, I must say. Thank you for this, honey.)
posted by Pips 12 November | 19:15
Amazing post. Thanks for all the great tunes, too. I had some of these already but I look forward to listening to them all.
posted by SassHat 12 November | 23:32
Great post, jon. My parents lost a lot of friends in Vietnam and it really affected them. I think I'll forward this thread to my dad.
posted by jrossi4r 13 November | 00:12
Gosh, I sound like a broken record: jon this is very good indeed. Thank you for posting *and* writing about music. And thanks to pips for the great poem she posted. I now only really wish she can find more time to post more contemp poetry like that... I am your pupil guys.
posted by carmina 13 November | 12:48
The funny thing is that none of the songs in this list that were contemporary with the war were ever on Top 40 radio for more than a week or two after their release. No song about Viet Nam ever did make the Top 40--except for Ballad of The Green Berets, which was not actually about the war itself. I remember reading about Freda Payne's Bring The Boys Home but never heard it until years later.

Country Joe & The Fish's I-Feel-Like-I’m-Fixin’-to-Die Rag --that was a fixture of FM radio but it was a novelty song at best.

Apart from those two problematic examples, I don't think any of the songs referencing the war that came out during the war reached many ears at the time. Certainly, at the time, there were no stirring moving songs dealing with the war. I don't know if there could be.

War is a topic that lends itself to poetry perhaps but songs not so much. Of all of Dylan's body of work, Masters of War is the most excruciatingly one dimensional to my ears. It was my least favorite song on The Freewheelin' Bob Dylan at the time and I still cringe to hear it sung by anyone. Those were some ham handed lyrics.

Film has been the art form that has dealt most explicitly with the Viet Nam War but even that is problematic--all of the famous Viet Nam movies seriously rewrote history and America's part in that war. And that is the problem--the Viet Nam war of the imagination has replaced the Viet Nam war of history in the collective American memory. The war is still going on in the popular imagination and it is a quagmire as interminable and unwinnable as the real war was itself.
posted by y2karl 13 November | 23:43
I must say I am surprised at the number of songs even obliquely on the topic. Now I am wondering how many songs similarly concern the Korean War. I can think of two offhand but now I am thinking there may be more.
posted by y2karl 14 November | 03:41
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