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09 August 2006

How to defeat the feminists? Give them lots of orgasms.

I'm actually OK with this plan of attack.
Sign me up.
posted by punch 09 August | 15:23
But women secretly long for a man with swagger, who is cocky and selfassured

This part is true. Women do often like these things. However, cocky-assured-manly-man need not equal 'sexist brute.'
posted by jonmc 09 August | 15:26
Am I reading the same article? The one I get is about some kooky political arguments posited by a pro-lifer. Nothing about orgasms. (Unless I'm meant to follow the logical train backwards....)
posted by mudpuppie 09 August | 15:29
dimitri?
posted by pieisexactlythree 09 August | 15:32
mudpuppie: I don't think so.
posted by punch 09 August | 15:33
We shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills, in the boudoirs and in the dorm rooms, we shall fight in the cold water flats and in tents in the mountains, we shall fight in the back of a cab and in the front of a church, we shall fight on the bonnets and in the back seats and even in the boots of automobiles, we shall fight in sleeping bags and sheets and in the great wide open, in dressing gowns and tuxedos and of course the altogether; we shall never surrender.
posted by Hugh Janus 09 August | 15:34
So bizarre. No matter what I do, I'm taken away from the "mighty dick" link (which I can see on the sidebar) and back to the anti-abortion story.

The internet is trying to tell me something.
posted by mudpuppie 09 August | 15:37
mp, are you just on the main Broadsheet page? If so, scroll down to the "A mighty dick" entry.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 15:37
(It may be because Salon requires you to watch an ad before reading content, which didn't occur to me when I posted this.)

The Daily Mail article they're discussing.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 15:39
I've watched the ad. I see the link to the article on the sidebar. But it takes me right back to the abortion article.
posted by mudpuppie 09 August | 15:42
Okay, having read the first two paragraphs of the Daily Mail article, I'm glad the internet was protecting me.

*pops a blood pressure pill*
posted by mudpuppie 09 August | 15:43
Good lord. What a egotistical, chauvanistic, insecure asshole!
posted by Specklet 09 August | 15:43
That is... very weird.

The relevant bits from the Daily Mail:

My wife is older and more successful than I am, but the bedroom has always been the arena in which I have brought her down to earth.

The female orgasm is the natural mechanism by which men assert dominion over women: a man who appreciates this can negotiate whatever difficulties arise in his relationships with them.

Last Christmas, my wife threw me out after discovering I'd been cheating on her. On the night we got back together, I made strong, passionate love to her. Unfaithful as I'd been, I was not going to let her have me over a barrel for the rest of our marriage. I needed to keep a sense of self and not allow her to mire me in guilt and a desperate quest of forgiveness.

I needed to let her know what she would be missing if we broke up for ever. I gave her a manful bravura performance that night, and at the height of her passion, I asked her: 'Who's the boss?'

The question threw her. Initially she wouldn't give me a reply, but I enticed it from her. 'You are,' she finally gasped. 'You are!'
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 15:44
Yeah, the beginning is standard "women like to be dominated" drivel. But I do think the conclusion is rather ingenious.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 15:45
Oh jesus.
posted by mudpuppie 09 August | 15:50
I have to admit I didn't read the article, as Salon always crashes my browser. What I wrote above is in reaction to the battle plan, which is a good one. I dunno about the war, though (is there one?) If there was a war, who would actually want to win? I mean, after victory, would all "hostilities" cease? What a bummer that would be.
posted by Hugh Janus 09 August | 15:54
And a lovely battle plan it is, Hugh.

Given that the female orgasm has generally been seen as a symbol of liberation, I can just honestly say that this is the first time I've ever seen "Give her orgasms" as a way to shut up a woman. "Give her jewelry," sure. "Tell her to make you a sandwich," of course. "Slap her around" on rare occasions, and "Tell her to get on her knees and give you an orgasm" more commonly.

I'm just saying, I like the change in tactics.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 15:59
me no like brains - she should dump him for the dude who emailed SassHat:

Maybe you not look for brains. I dont have brains, I have dolars. Maybe you have brains. That's goood! I like the brains. You talk I listen good. Maybe you
not looking for deep man. You find me good.


He let her be in shoes if she want
posted by pieisexactlythree 09 August | 16:03
Who's the boss?

Now I keep seeing Tony Danza.
posted by Pips 09 August | 16:08
Way ahead of you.
posted by scarabic 09 August | 16:17
Actually I'm totally full of it. If I've learned one thing over the years, it's that women control/determine their own orgasms. Either that, or my performance is wildly erratic, from dozens during foreplay to none for years at a time, partner to partner. I can't believe anything I'm doing is that inconsistent.
posted by scarabic 09 August | 16:19
Perhaps you need to sleep with more feminists.

Or maybe the implication here is that true feminists wouldn't allow themselves to be dominated enough to have an orgasm at all?

Now I'm confused.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 16:21
Apparently, his wife suffers from anorexia. Wonder how much of that comes from him. Dick.
posted by Specklet 09 August | 16:21
The question threw her. Initially she wouldn't give me a reply, but I enticed it from her. 'You are,' she finally gasped. 'You are!'
Probably she just wanted him to get on and finish the job and that was the only way she had to get him to shut the fuck up.
posted by dg 09 August | 16:33
I wonder how a person who had an affair gets away with publishing an article where they say that the first time they made love to their spouse after reconciling, they made sure to let her know he's the dominant partner. Disgusting much? Emotionally abusive?

I don't disagree with occhiblu in theory: human relationships are good. But not with this person.
posted by halonine 09 August | 16:46
Oh, I have no theory. I just think that "Men, fight back against feminazis by making sure they have really good sex" is a very funny plan.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 16:49
The desparate undertone of that, occhiblu, is "Men, fight back against feminazis by making sure they have really good sex -- which proves that we're necessary!"

*laughs, foils plan, flirts with a feminazi and displays mad lovin' skills*
posted by mudpuppie 09 August | 16:52
Ha! I hadn't thought of that.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 16:56
Feminists can't get their own orgasms? HA HA HA HA HA.

A - what mudpuppie just said.

B - what scarabic said (if I understand him correctly and he means consistent with the same partner and not consistent across the board, because everyone is different) as there is always the DIY approach, with or without an audience.



posted by rainbaby 09 August | 18:09
Yeah I mean I have seen some degree of variance in orgasm frequency/intensitywith one partner over time. Sex gets better with time (if its good in the first place) in my experience. But I've seen a much greater variation in orgasm frequency and intensity between DIFFERENT partners. Everything from head blown off to not being sure what an orgasm is. It seems that their own comfort level and knowledge of their bodies and what they want out of sex has more to do with it than whatever fumblings I contribute.

I guess I am just not the boss :(

;)
posted by scarabic 09 August | 19:02
Upon further reflection, I realized that there's a subtext to the author's column that I find particularly strange. Unlike this guy, I don't define myself or my behaviour based on what I believe women want, or how I want them to relate to me. In other words, sexual politics are not a part of my core identity, or really any part for that matter. My gender identity is not something that really crosses my mind very often. I think of myself as a human first, and as pi, second, with few if any categories mediating inbetween. Does this resonate with anybody else?
posted by pieisexactlythree 09 August | 19:09
pi, there's a line of thought that would say that those in the dominant category don't need to define themselves by being part of that category -- men don't need to think about their gender, white people don't need to think about their race, straight people don't need to think about their heterosexuality, etc. When you're in those categories you're just considered "normal" or "default" so you have the luxury of not having to think about it.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 19:15
Heh. Delete "hetero-" from "heterosexuality" up there.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 19:16
let me put this another way: I haven't had sex in a couple years, and I've spent a total of 16 months out of 29 years in relationships. Also, my previous comment is referring to the fact that sexual politics is clearly very important to the man who wrote the article. I hear you regarding marked/unmarked sociolinguistic sets however.
posted by pieisexactlythree 09 August | 20:12
Yeah, I was just responding to your last couple sentences, I guess. But yeah, the guy's assumption that everything in life is about power in a sexual relationship is annoying -- though I'm not sure it's particularly uncommon.
posted by occhiblu 09 August | 20:25
Isn't this just "womyn dig jerks" in a fancy suit? It makes about as much sense to me as ladder "theory". I'm in the kinda-offended-but-real-don't-care-enough camp.
posted by bonehead 09 August | 22:39
Fucking Daily Mail.

Maybe they should apply the same logic to the tides of immigrants they believe are overrunning the country.
posted by seanyboy 10 August | 02:39
when I lived in London and commuted on the Tube, I used to have to move away from people reading the Daily Mail - I can't help reading papers over people's shoulders, and the Mail makes me so horribly angry it would screw up my day if I read anything in it. Sometimes I read an article or two in a controlled manner, though, as it's not good to avoid these things (anti-immigrant rants, columns like this, etc) completely...
posted by altolinguistic 10 August | 03:12
*volunteers to use new tactic in war on feminazis, particularly hawt ones*
posted by deadcowdan 10 August | 07:15
I'm just adopting Hugh's battle cry and taking to the streets.

Let us all, with our various genders and preferences, cease fighting amongst ourselves and unite against a common enemy: the absence of orgasms.

Let's replace the War on Terra with the War on Anorgasmia. Orgasms for all! The people, united, shall never be defeated! No climax, no peace! Be your own Boss!
posted by Miko 10 August | 09:17
No climax, no peace! Be your own Boss!

"master" of your domain, as it were...
posted by pieisexactlythree 10 August | 11:22
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