whiner

and pack up your bags guy, it's a long trip back to Australia from Germany

;)

Heh. Them Italians sure have diverse ways of winning games. Negative soccer indeed.

The question is... Do I go to the Ukraine Club for the next match or no?

as I said in the other thread, I didn't see you guys complain after Materazzi's strict red card.

then, a strict penalty and the whining starts?

double standard there, children.


have a safe trip back home!
;)

(also, you really didn't manage to score in 60 minutes of 11 to 10 play. that's alwyas a bad sign)

The world loves a sore winner.

If there's a lesson to be learned here, it's that correct strategy against Italians is to ACTUALLY HURT THEM. Preferably in a fashion that requires surgery and numerous metal plates to fix.

The penalty for doing nothing wrong is exactly the same as the penalty for putting your cleats through their ankles.

did you see Australia's number 2 (his name escpaes me)? his tackle on Grosso? that's horrible defending. he fell on his ass, and hit Grosso's legs.

a strict ref will give a penalty 100%, no question about it.

but then I guess it's easier to scream "diver". if you'd rather accuse Grosso than the Aussie defender, go ahead. allow me to be skeptical of your analysis, though


and Hugh: whiny losers are unpopular, too. but anyway Italy's an average team, will never win the cup, don't worry. I guess we'll be out in the semifinals, you'll be happy soon.

in the meantime, there's a flight to Australia to catch!

:)

I didn't even SEE the other thread, matteo. And it was only 40 minutes when Italy had 10 men too.

Typical Italian football - if you can't win through skill, win through cheating. I should've expected, it, I watch enough Serie A on TV.

so Australia number 2 didn't touch Grosso legs? really?

want to wait until there are a few pcitures of the game online? want to bet?

anyone have any good stream links for this? The FIFA one was all clogged.

Of course whiny losers are unpopular, matteo. But winning gives the winner the dignity to step past them, and the grace to hear the envy in their complaints without mocking them.

(I should say "winning gives the winner the opportunity to act with dignity and grace...." Clearly a take-it-or-leave-it opportunity for some).

I seriously don't have a dog in this race, beyond the underdog. Congratulations to Italy and their supporters for the win, and too bad for Australia, nice work getting as far as they did.

There doesn't have to be moral equivalency when you win. You could, and probably do, see the soft penalty as vindication for the soft red card. Winning should be victory enough. And nobody here's a child.

want to bet?

Yes.

Proposal:
100 euros
You must accept by 8pm, Rome time
24 hours to prove contact
Disinterested 3rd party to judge to be negotiated

No need to escrow money. I pay my bets and assume you do as well.

the photo is here, boys


grow up and good luck for 2010.

close up here

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Er, I'm not a boy, btw.

I consulted a few gambling friends to see if they thought I had to pay this, or if you failed to accept the bet. (I thought you clearly failed to accept it, but I'm a biased party, so I sought disinterested counsel.)

The ruling:
"you have to verbally accept a bet, even if you provide proof with it. he didn't accept."

Congrats on winning the soccer match. It didn't really matter, since both Australia and Italy are doomed, tournament wise.

I consulted a few gambling friends to see if they thought I had to pay this,

what a little boy. keep your money, you obviously need it more than I do (I wouldn't weasel out on a bet like you just did). this thread's fun enough as it is.

also, one does not want to steal money from children.

so who's the cheat now, big boy?

since both Australia and Italy are doomed, tournament wise.

you cannot fly back to Australia on a WHAAAAAAMBULANCE.

just don't repeat Grosso dived. it's a lie. Santa won't bring you gifts.

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Italy's an average team, will never win the cup, don't worry

Strange that you'd say that, matteo, and then mock someone for saying that

both Australia and Italy are doomed, tournament wise.

Maybe the light-headed flush of victory has inspired you to inconsistency, maybe your thrill at winning a 10 on 11 game in the 93rd minute has you so amped up that you can't help but pretend to be a dick. Your team won. Great. Their team lost. Too bad for them, great for you.

Almost every game hinges on some play or other, and many of those plays are controversial to one side or another. Usually these are more controversial to the losers than to the winners, because it really doesn't matter if you have a result in your favor. That's why sportsmanship dictates that the winner doesn't mock the loser; doesn't gloat to add to the loser's misery; doesn't stick it to 'em because they lost and then had the audacity to do what most people do when they lose, which is to grumble about it. Maybe that's not how it's done where you're from.

Are you usually so graceless, classless, and unsportsmanlike? It's really ugly, calling people children, or telling them to grow up, or adding insult to injury, or humiliating your friends. Bad form.

*holds up a red card*

[Not sure for whom, didn't actually read the thread. I just wanted to hold up a red card so it appears that I know what I'm talking about.]

what a little boy. keep your money, you obviously need it more than I do (I wouldn't weasel out on a bet like you just did).

You never accepted the bet.

You did the research first and clearly would not have accepted if your research showed I was correct. What you tried is even less gentlemanly than the rest of your behaviour in this thread.

Note to self: this is why one should never bet against non-bettors. Too many of them don't believe in fair gambles.

(goes back off into obscurity.)

no, I'm mocking him for lying about the alleged dive, for setting up an elaborate bet, then weasel out when I show him unimpeachable evidence that Grosso didn't dive. that's why I'm mocking him -- walking out on a bet like that is indeed awesome. talk about class.

want to see a dive? enjoy!

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It's really ugly

no, lies are ugly. Grosso didn't dive. it's childish to lie and blame somebody else. blame Neill. blame the Aussies. accusing someone of diving when they didn't? talk about classless.


or humiliating your friends.


you're not my friend, we are strangers on the Internet, with all due respect.

You never accepted the bet.

I proposed the bet myself. I brought it up.

it's for the record here: you weasel out of bets. that's what your word is worth, really.

as I said, keep the money, this thread is priceless

Gotta say I'm with Hugh on this. Trash talk is great up until the game ends and then it is time to be classy again. Gracious in victory and defeat is the only way to be.

The idea of a bet is not the proposal. mosch made the proposal when he named the terms. If you wanted to take his bet, you should've accepted BEFORE you went to find proof.

You said "wanna bet" indicating interest.
I proposed stakes and conditions.
You did not accept them.

You then researched the outcome before responding at all, thus giving yourself a chance to win the bet (or to be rude to me), without risking anything yourself.

My error was in gambling with somebody who clearly isn't a gambler. It's clear that you don't understand why what you did is unethical, and unfair.

As such, I'll split the difference, and give 100 euros to a mutually agreeable charity.

I didnt really want to, God knows I dont' need the alleged 100 euros. I just liked how the whining died after I posted the image.

remember, this thread's title is "Cheats cheats cheats". It should be named "Liars".
;)

Gotta say, I'm with mosch on this one. Matteo, I can't tell if you're joking or if you're being a jerk. I'm hoping your little winky faces are sincere and this is all fun to you.

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you're not my friend, we are strangers on the Internet, with all due respect.

Perhaps I should have said "humiliating people who aren't your enemies," but I'm sure you'd quibble with that assessment, too. With all due respect.

You are right: I shouldn't have jumped the gun in calling it a dive. It was a "drawn penalty."

Your still picture doesn't settle anything, (it doesn't show the strange palsy that suddenly gripped Grosso's legs when the Aussie defender slid in front of him -- a stupid and rash tackle in the box, but one that Grosso certainly made a meal of. And hey, that's why he's a better soccer player -- the kind of savvy it takes to draw a penalty is invaluable late in a game like this. But just because it's savvy play doesn't mean it's Fair Play). And I'll be the first to admit that Italy's red card should have been a yellow.

But the game itself isn't at issue here. It's your unsportsmanlike behavior in gloating over a narrow victory and taunting the unhappy losers. Whether these people are your friends or not, some of them may respect you, for whatever reason. Hell, that doesn't matter. I respect you, for whatever reason. And (particularly before lunch, when I'm hungry and a little cranky) it really bugs me to see you acting like such a cunt.

Sorry to be so critical, but it really rubs me the wrong way, matteo. It's surprising when someone you really look up to turns out to be an asshole.

we are strangers on the Internet
ouch! You might be right. But that somehow hurt. In all due seriousness and respect.

acting like such a cunt
Is that a bad thing? I am seriously wondering.

But I am sure there is no reason for you guys to yell at each other. We all love soccer and we get crazy about it. I know I do. This is why I do not watch the games with people I care about and who support other teams.

So, cool it, OK? Please? I want to see all of you again here tomorrow.

Wow, did I really get that het up? I'm sorry, matteo, and I'm sorry to everyone else. I think I went on and on the other day about pointing out others' rudeness and set myself on a path to shame here on this thread.

I get critical sometimes. I think I'm right, and I push it too far until I end up doing much more harm than good. I like to think I'm doing the right thing, but the didact in me overcomes my sense of fairness. The trap is that I'm at my least fair when I'm railing against unfairness. I'm just too touchy, and I've said rude things to people who didn't deserve it.

I am pretty sure I can exercise a little more self-control, and I'm very sorry about today. This is a good place and I hate when I make it worse.

He dived. Specifically, he side-stepped to the right to run into Neill's legs (and indeed, matteo has helpfully provided clear evidence of that). How about some video footage? No, I thought not. Cheats.

That is a professional foul (deliberately fouling to try to gain an advantage) and demands a red card like the other cheat got.

I don't like to go on about this, I really don't mind matteo having his childish fun, but I don't like to see Australia slandered.

Marcello Lippi has admitted that it was a dive. Of course he is too stupid to realise that he admitted it. He said "There were two fouls on him. He didn't go down under the first and he carried on dribbling and then sustained another clear foul". So those photos show Neill sticking his back into the cheat's legs. Quite a trick.

(And what hellbient said, especially the Feyenoord kid).