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25 January 2006

Where are all the men? [More:]If a single man were to ask me how to find women, I'd tell him to take a class in art, cooking, or ballroom dancing. I've taken such classes, and they're always mostly women, many of whom are young, attractive, intelligent and interesting. But where does a woman go when she wants to meet men? Where are they hiding?
Um - we're on the internet.
posted by yhbc 25 January | 22:04
I could say something glib like "sports bars and strip clubs", but really it depends on the type of guy you're looking for.
posted by bmarkey 25 January | 22:10
Not helping Habitat for Humanity build houses. I had a friend try that one to meet men and it was all single women thinking this would be a great way to meet guys.
posted by mygothlaundry 25 January | 22:10
I think we're mostly in IRC right now.
posted by richat 25 January | 22:10
Why wouldn't similar men also be at these classes? Perhaps not as many, granted, but...

My sense is that intelligent and interesting people are harder to find by a set of rules because they tend to be less predictable.
posted by selfnoise 25 January | 22:11
Graduate school.
posted by porpoise 25 January | 22:15
Bars. or they're gay. in which case they're probably in bars, too asking the same question you are.
posted by jonmc 25 January | 22:19
Some of us are also wondering where all the men are, rather whistfully at that.
posted by moonbird 25 January | 22:20
Damn, jonmc beat me to it. LOL
posted by moonbird 25 January | 22:21
I second the internet.
posted by Miko 25 January | 22:38
Try lavalife or some such site. They're definitely there! (Where are all the monkeys is a different matter. Sigh.)
posted by fish tick 25 January | 22:47
Damn, I wish I'd asked you that before I got married. I kept going hunting in bars and, for some reason, kept waking up with floozies.

Third or fourth the internet, my wife and I found each other online.
posted by fenriq 25 January | 22:54
I do use Lava, go to MeFi meetups, etc.
No dice.

I've taken lots of art classes and they are almost all women.

I suppose I could take an auto body course or hang out at hockey arenas, but for one thing it would be really obvious that I was there looking to score, and for another I'm hardly assured to get the types of guys I want.
posted by Orange Swan 25 January | 23:00
So, what kind of guys do you want?
posted by bmarkey 25 January | 23:07
Join a soccer or ultimate league. Seriously.

I must know at least two dozen single(ish) guys 25-45. They all play soccer/ultimate/hockey/etc... Their social lives completely revolve around chasing small objects around very expensive playing facilities then going out for a few pints. Some do this four or five times a week. Most do it at least twice. Almost every group is informal and pickup. Women are usually very welcome, no skill level required.

posted by bonehead 25 January | 23:08
Volleyball might be even better now that I think about it (I havent' played for a few years). Much better male to female ratio, and much hook-uping going on. See if your local community centre has times on the weekend.
posted by bonehead 25 January | 23:15
Well, the good-hearted, smart, non-vacuous, unattached men are mostly sitting around wondering where all the good-hearted, smart, non-vacuous, unattached women are.
posted by shane 25 January | 23:27
I want someone intelligent, educated, fun, kind, and interesting. And attractive to me.

Hmm, yes, co-ed sports might be a good idea.

Though I am HOPELESSLY unathletic. But maybe volleyball is a possibility. Remember that klutzy dork at your school who couldn't contribute to any team, but who had that freak, nofail serve? That was me.
posted by Orange Swan 25 January | 23:30
I am taking a cooking class right now, and it is about 80% dudes. Of the distaff 20%, half or more of them are taking the class with a significant other.

posted by Capn 25 January | 23:35
Try a gym. You'll find every type of guy there.
posted by mischief 25 January | 23:47
I'm right here.
posted by knave 26 January | 01:50
Iron Maiden shows.
posted by Hugh Janus 26 January | 09:09
I want someone intelligent, educated, fun, kind, and interesting. And attractive to me.

Buy you a drink, baby?

*winks, nudges, slips in beer puddle and falls on ass*
posted by jonmc 26 January | 09:35
Actually, we don't go out much. You'll have to catch us at home.
posted by warbaby 26 January | 11:01
...warbaby's point is true, that's why so many of them can only be found on the internet.

But here are two other places I have met men. One is a running group -- most towns/cities have some kind of weekly group run. Mine is Monday nights -- we run betwen 3 and 6 miles and then get beer and appetizers. Really nice guys; not all are single, but it never hurts to meet people. Even if they aren't available, they might have brothers or friends who are.

The second place is: swing dancing. Swing is as big a scene and as fun as it ever was, even if it dropped off the pop-culture radar in the late 90s. There are dances everywhere. You tend to meet cool/different/original people at these things. Plus, you get to have someone's hands on you, twirling you around and making you look wicked cute. Not bad! Check out yehoodi.com for some links and directories. Don't knock it til you try it -- the music is great, and the dancing is incredibly fun.
posted by Miko 26 January | 11:31
I've tried to do the dance class thing to meet women, but all of them around here only accept couples. I don't know many single men OR women, but hell if I know where or how any of them ended up together. The ones I ask all say they got together during college. So much for that. heh.
posted by sciurus 26 January | 11:40
I actually plan to take a beginner ballroom dancing course in late March. I've dug up a new male acquaintance who wants to take the class with me (by advertising on Lava). I knew someone who was really into ballroom dancing, and she was always complaining about how few men there were in it. If you didn't have a dedicated partner, you had to sit out a lot of dances.

Perhaps cooking classes vary according to what kinds of cooking it is. I can see a, say, Indian food cooking course, attracting more men than a pastry class.

The thing is, I'm really resistant to the idea of doing something *just* to meet men. Devoting nine evenings to a class in an area that doesn't interest me at all (and very probably still not meeting anyone) sounds like my idea of hell. But I suppose that's not necessary. If I were to expand my area of interest just a little, the male:female ratio would improve. I don't have to actually take auto shop or play football. I can take an Indian cooking class or volleyball.

And then too, expanding one's social network is always a benefit, especially when all my existing friends are married and having babies. If I make a great new female friend and she has a hot male friend or cousin, I've scored twice.
posted by Orange Swan 26 January | 11:54
If you want to meet men dancing, by all means do NOT take a dance class. Most people in classes are already in a couple -- trying to revive the spark, or practicing for a wedding. In addition, classes are highly structured and can be awkward.

In swing dancing, you learn to dance by going to actual dances. Most start with a basic lesson, which is enough to get you going. Anyone can do it. Following the quick lesson, the dance basically turns into a party. There are many actually single people there, who like other people, and are interested in meeting other people. They also just like the music and the style of dance. It's worlds away from traditional ballroom -- a completely unique scene. A friend once mentioned to me that it was very post-punk; a lot of emphasis on individual styling and expression, no need for anyone to conform to anything. Just go to a dance. Bring some friends. It's very cool.
posted by Miko 26 January | 12:12
....oh, and also: in swing there's a basic etiquette that you never dance twice with the same partner in one evening. You're expected to switch partners after each dance, and you're expected to ask strangers to dance. Starting with that basic understanding of swing culture really takes the fear of rejection out of the whole enterprise. You're there to dance, after all.
posted by Miko 26 January | 12:13
Same with Iron Maiden concerts.
posted by Hugh Janus 26 January | 12:23
Hmm, I'll have to try the swing thing perhaps. I honestly want to learn to dance ballroom, so I'm more into taking the class for itself rather than to meet people with penises.
posted by Orange Swan 26 January | 12:46
'Nother vote for the 'net. That's where I found the mister (not that I was looking, nor was he).
posted by deborah 26 January | 12:52
so I'm more into taking the class for itself rather than to meet people with penises.


That's a far healthier attitude. I have a friend who went to do all kinds of things in the hopes of meeting women. Failure after failure after failure eventually broke him. We (his friends) are, painfully, trying to piece him back together.
posted by porpoise 26 January | 12:59
The thing is, porpoise, this attitude not only makes sense from a self-actualization perspective, but from a dating efficacy perspective as well. What's the point of meeting people if one won't have anything in common with them?
posted by Orange Swan 26 January | 14:35
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