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12 December 2005

What's the point in trying to make a good post? After I saw that the New Yorker had republished Anne Proulx's original "Brokeback Mountain" short story, I spent about 20 minutes looking for supporting links, and found a recent interview and recent discussion with her.

The thread immediately got derailed into chat about the movie and gay cowboy jokes, which had been done before. Only one of the first 20 or so commentors read any of the links, and they commented to bitch about it. I might as well have just posted the words "Brokeback Mountain" and saved myself the time and effort of trying to put a good post together.

What's the point in trying to make a good post if no one's going to read the fucking links?
I think you answered your own question.
posted by puke & cry 12 December | 21:40
dude, here's a clue: mefi sucks these days. quonsar didn't ruin it.
posted by quonsar 12 December | 21:43
On the other hand, you're assuming that everyone who read the links commented. What's the point of reading the discussion on a good post if it always degrades like that? I, for one, greatly enjoyed your post (I am a big-time Annie Proulx fan), but I generally avoid the Inside of those things.
posted by muddgirl 12 December | 21:44
neither did pretty_generic.
posted by greasy_skillet 12 December | 21:45
Hookers and blow, apparently is the point. See
posted by keijo 12 December | 21:45
Hmmm. This doesn't work for me now. But anyway, http://metatalk.metafilter.com/mefi/10749
posted by keijo 12 December | 21:46
A lot of people who take the time to read the links and then wish to comment are, when they are finished reading and ready to make an intelligent and thoughtful comment, overwhelmed by those who have already thoughtlessly spouted crap and so they don't comment at all. But they did read the post and they were enlightened and entertained by what you thought to be the best of the web.

Metafilter does have a silent majority, I think, and they certainly appreciate your wonderful posts.

Don't let the bastards get you--or MetaFilter--down. There are many more names on the front page of MetaFilter these days and as I filter MeFi for myself I often rely on the presentation as to what I should click and read. But any time I see a post of yours I click because I know it will be good.

On preview: exactly, muddgirl, and yes, q, you were a great part of the ruin I think. Sometimes, anyways: you set a bad example with good humour.
posted by Cryptical Envelopment 12 December | 21:54
My first FPP didn't get a single god damned comment, but the person who ran a site I linked to later told me that he got over 400 hits from metafilter.com. Thus lots of people click but don't comment. Anecdotally speaking.
posted by goatdog 12 December | 22:05
frankly, quoting South Park episodes isn't funny. This is funny.
posted by muddgirl 12 December | 22:07
Holy cow, it sure didn't, goatdog!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 12 December | 22:14
i'm dying to read that story and the other links--but i'm still stuck at work (it's 10:15)

: (
posted by amberglow 12 December | 22:17
Comments do not necessarily indicate a good post. Some of the best have almost no comments at all, because people enjoy bitching, moaning and goofing off way more than leaving a simple compliment.

Having said that, searching for supporting links doesn't necessarily make a good post either - if the main link is enjoyable, then that's usually enough, and don't waste your time finding out more information for people becuase the ones who liked your post will search for more information themselves. When I see a post with six or seven "supporting links", my brain thinks "someone spends too much time on Google" and my eyes drift over it entirely as being too much hard work.
posted by Jimbob 12 December | 22:29
Having said that, searching for supporting links doesn't necessarily make a good post either


Methinks that is not kirkaracha's MO.
posted by Cryptical Envelopment 12 December | 22:33
You're probably right, but you see it so much in others. People who have the impression, for some reason, that "single link posts are bad", so they try to make some super-macho-mecha-post with 17 links around seemingly random words to the far flung corners of the internet, and it's clearly the result of some quick Googling. When people put that many links in a post, they can't really expect everyone to read every word of them, can they? I dunno, maybe people have got more spare time than I have...
posted by Jimbob 12 December | 22:39
Interesting point. I do tend to avoid multi-link posts, just because I'm lazy.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 12 December | 22:41
I bookmarked this comment by interrobang a while back. I find it very encouraging, especially since most of my posts have gotten minimal comments.
posted by Gator 12 December | 22:42
I hadn't read the original short story til you put it up on the blue, and to be honest, it tore me up so bad that I went and took a long, sniffly nap. How will I make it through the movie??
posted by WolfDaddy 12 December | 22:58
i'm home--going to read it--people are in a mood lately in the blue, kirk--don't take it to heart.
posted by amberglow 12 December | 23:06
I am going to self-link here becaue I can and it is relevant to points made above and it is lost in the mists of MeFi. I used Google to assemble the eight links of my first FPP and it worked, going by the tenor of the comments. I found the initial link somewhere and then I found supporting links to support one awsome link.

In terms of reaction measured by responses to kirkaracha's posts I am hopefully an average in quantity and quality. I'm guessing here. kirkaracha's post are a benchmark for me, anyway.

kirkaracha rocks, pure and simple and consistently, and Metafilter needs posters who rock like that *over time* and take the time needed to present the best of the web.
posted by Cryptical Envelopment 12 December | 23:11
that's a great story--thanks, kirk!
posted by amberglow 12 December | 23:28
that tire iron stuff--ooo
posted by amberglow 12 December | 23:29
The honest-to-spaghetti flying monster-truth is that lately I only scan MeFi blue for the most part and kirkaracha's post was the only one in the last 24hrs where I read the whole paragraph. I thought to myself - well that sounds pretty interesting, I'll have to have a look later (still haven't, other than to cursorily inspect the thread after reading this post)

Not to harp on about it - because I mentioned it yesterday in orthogonality's thread here - but this particular thread would do much much more good towards promoting a better/more positive attitude if it were posted to MeTa. It may not be been seen by a majority of MeFi one-liner types but I suspect that it will have brought forth some encouraging commentary that helps to solidify the better parts about Metafilter. My opinion of course.

I do see what you mean when I scan the thread kirkaracha but frankly, I don't see it as a really bad thread by comparison with some.

It's virtually impossible to not have something invested in how a post will be received but I'm starting to think, if editing is all checked and there's no mistakes and the links all work and due thought about wording etc etc etc has been carried out, that a damn good idea after hitting the 'send' button is to leave for a few hours and not watch the proceedings unfold.

I also agree very much about one's inability to really sense what the viewing populace's reactions to the post will have been. There are what? a few thousand commenters at most who come and go with the wind so the majority of the audience is unseen and unheard from.

When you do come back to the thread you should tell yourself that the bottom line ought to be that it's a success if someone says thanks. So perhaps try and view it filtered through .kobayashi's eyes and all is pretty well and good with the world.

And Cryptical Envelopment said it well too.
posted by peacay 12 December | 23:33
No religion, no politics (sexual or otherwise). No ego. That's what makes a good FPP. Make it interesting and not about you.
posted by Mr T 13 December | 00:37
i have to thank you for posting it, i haven't had a chance to read it yet but saved it. heard a recent frsh air about it and i've been wondering where i could find a copy of the story for a while now.

i miss the days when i didn't read comments.
i use to think mefi was cool.
then we got to know each other.
*sigh*
posted by ethylene 13 December | 00:54
I read the links. I enjoyed them. Thank you.
posted by tangerine 13 December | 02:23
The point is that you have something you want to share, and some people will appreciate it, even if they aren't interested in the "culture" of MeFi commenting.
posted by MightyNez 13 December | 04:20
i want the porn version to be called "brokebutt mountin'"
posted by ethylene 13 December | 06:54
I've repeatedly asked for a clik-thu kounter pony. Silence from the powers that be. That would at least provide some feedback to posters that the crap comments have become do not.
posted by warbaby 13 December | 10:01
Thanks for the nice comments, everyone. I'm a little embarassed at hosting my own pity party (and sorry for not using more inside).

I agree that the quantity of links isn't directly related to the quality of the post. In fact, I think it would've been fine in this case if I'd just linked to the short story, but I like to provide supporting info, kind of like the special features on the DVD.
posted by kirkaracha 13 December | 10:44
MeFi self-links OK "if they're good"? || #Metachat for Trillian users

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