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06 July 2008

I had an old friend that I basically dropped [More:]

I had a very close friend when I was a teenager until four or five years ago. She lived with my family for a period of time because her family was extremely screwed up.

This particular friend had her problems and flaws just like anybody else. At times she was exhausting to be around. She was a severe hypochondriac. More often than not I was convincing her she didn't have a brain tumor. She was self-centered. She was extremely beautiful and thrived on attention from the opposite sex. Sometimes she wouldn't call for months on end because she was absorbed in her life. I didn't fault her for this because I can get in my own little world and neglect friends too.

I was very close with her first serious boyfriend. We were all friends and went on ski trips and other vacations together. They were together for a long time. They became engaged. She began to cheat on him and decided she didn't want to be married. She didn't give the ring back. He had to pry it off her finger.

She begins seeing another nice guy (one of the people she cheated with while she was engaged). He's really nice and we all get along well. I am the maid of honor in her elaborate, huge, no expense spared wedding. They built a beautiful new house. They both had great careers and their life was pretty much ideal.

After a year of marriage she began to cheat on her husband with some guy she worked with. She worked for a household name sports and entertainment company and was on the road a lot. She hooked up with this person on the road. She left her husband two days before Christmas.

At this point I am like WTF? It was none of my business what she did with her personal life but I was seriously disgusted when she cheated on her husband. She just had this huge elaborate wedding. She had never met her biological father that died of leukemia when my friend was in her early twenties. His children and family connected with my friend and helped pay for some of the wedding.

After she dumped her husband (who was a truly nice guy. I knew him very well. He was what I would call a catch. He was handsome, smart, great job, motivated, athletic, and loved the arts) I couldn't stand her anymore. I thought she was shallow and self-centered and didn't care about anybody but herself. She had the great things in life and decided to ruin it.

I wasn't mean or hateful toward her. The last conversation we had was when she had moved out of her house to be with the new guy. I didn't know the extent of her determination to never go back so I was offering suggestions to go to marital counseling or speak to somebody at their church.

I got an invitation for another elaborate wedding on the beach (she was marrying the guy she was having an affair with) and a baby shower invitation, I didn't RSVP and I didn't go. This pretty much got the message across that I wasn't interested in being friends and I that she was crazy and we have spoken since. I have seen her once or twice in town and we are always polite, but that's about it.

I wasn't there when she had her baby. He is now three-years-old. I saw her in a sandwich shop a year or two ago and she told me, "so many times I have wanted to call you. So many times I had questions about my baby and I was at my wits end and I wanted to talk to you." She apologized to me. I felt bad and told her there was no reason to say she was sorry. I told her that the reason we weren't in touch was because of my own issues. Which is true. I decided to cut off the friendship because I thought she was selfish and needed constant attention from men and people in general. I was pissed that she cheated on her husband, no matter if it was my business or not. I saw her cheat on her first fiance. I thought it was sad but I was forgiving. I couldn't handle it when she cheated again. I thought she had no regard for the people that loved her. That included the new family she connected with, her in-laws that loved her, and all of their mutual friends. It was sad and cruel in a lot of ways.

All of these years I have missed her. Lately I have been thinking about her a lot. She was one of those rare friends that I could completely be myself around. I think about her a lot and have often wanted to call her. There has been so much time and distance between us. I am still conflicted whether I should be friends with her. It's kind of awkward.

Yesterday I was at DeLeon Springs. DeLeon Springs is about 30 miles away from my house, and about 35 from hers. It's not like it's that close. We would be more likely to run into one another at the beach. I'm swimming in the spring, playing with my kids and as I'm swimming the perimeter of the spring I see my old friend. We used to go to this spring when we were teenagers and had a driver's license. We hug, we say hello. She told me she hadn't been to deLeon since we went together nearly twenty years ago. Yesterday I met her new husband for the first time. I met her child for the first time. We said that we would call one another. She wants to have us over for dinner. I do miss her. We haven't exchanged phone calls yet. I don't know what to do. I'm not at a place where I despise her for cheating but I am still conflicted. Part of me feels like a self-righteous asshole for dropping her in the first place. Part of me thinks she is exhausting and hurtful to people.
He had to pry it off her finger.

For real?
posted by grouse 06 July | 15:21
The first fiance was a truly nice guy. He's not a violent person. He proposed with his great aunt's ring and she wanted to keep it even though she cheated on him and wasn't going to marry him. She thought of it as a gift and felt like she didn't need to return it. He was in her apartment. He had asked for it back a few times. He grabbed her hand and took it off. She didn't resist too much, but I think she was a little mad. A little embarrassed too. I remember my sister and I giving her hell that she wouldn't return the ring. I remember saying that she shouldn't be so attached to inanimate object that was basically a promise to marry, not a gift with no strings attached. It was the only the right thing to do to return it. This is one of the many reasons why I didn't feel like being friends with her.
posted by LoriFLA 06 July | 15:27
I don't see it as an either/or. You can be her friend the way you want to be- dinner once a year, calls once a day, Christmas Cards only, whatever. If you want to have her in your life again, I don't think that's a bad thing. It's not your job to punish her for whatever went on in her past. You are free to let her in to the extent that it'll be good for you.
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 06 July | 15:28
You should have been honest with her why you dropped her the first time. Maybe you were, in your own way.

I understand loving folks unconditionally, and that is okay but it is also okay to NOT be okay with what she did. She needs to be able to handle that too.
posted by bunnyfire 06 July | 15:28
Yes, I think she knows why, bunnyfire. I would have no problem telling her and I would if she asked. I do feel kind of bad that we didn't talk about it all those years ago. She never called after I didn't go to her wedding. Her mother saw my husband out soon after the wedding and said, "It's a shame Lori and Jane aren't friends any longer. They were so close."

TPS, I thought the same. We'll see what happens.
posted by LoriFLA 06 July | 15:39
If you do decide you want to start getting re-acquainted, you might take it slowly. Sudden renewed intimacy with someone who's hurt or disappointed you in the past can open you up to the same crash all over again. For me, it always hurts more the second time, because I also feel like an fool (though I shouldn't).

You don't have to rush back into being bestest friends ever. You can take your time deciding whether you like being with her, whether you respect her enough to be a good friend to her, whether you want to have so much drama in your life (assuming she hasn't changed).

And if the answer is no, you don't need to castigate yourself as "a self-righteous asshole." Sometimes what feels a little self-righteous is just, y'know, right.
posted by Elsa 06 July | 16:11
I'm with Elsa. Go veryyyyyyy slowly. You didn't do anything wrong, I hope you know, in putting her aside because you couldn't deal with the drama. I'm all about minimizing drama in life, and some people are just really good at creating it.
That said, I hope you can find a way to keep balance and just enough distance not to get sucked in if she hasn't changed much. Hang in there, dearie!
posted by Stewriffic 06 July | 16:49
Proceed with caution.

Mrs. Doohickie has a similar friend. Her friend got to the point where she snubbed my wife socially and hung around with her new, more affluent friends. She did a lot of things we didn't approve of, including having an affair with an old boyfriend. Eventually things caught up with her and her world crashed down around her. Her new friends abandoned her, and the only friend she had left in the world was my wife.

She is trying to put her life back together, and my wife is trying to help. It is a very frustrating process, and I don't really understand why my wife is sticking with her friend through all this, but if I were this woman, I sure would appreciate having a friend like my wife.

Now... maybe your friend is done with the indiscretions and is committed to making her life work, but from what you say she may be one of those people who needs help to do that- the help one can only get from a true friend. It sounds like maybe you are that friend. She gives you a lot- "She was one of those rare friends that I could completely be myself around."

I don't entirely understand why I am advising this, but I think you should give your friend another chance.
posted by Doohickie 06 July | 19:26
All good advice above. I've also a situation, in the last year, not unlike Mrs. Doohickie's. I won't forget again that the friendship is wholly my choice and how I feel about anything that friend does is my choice.

I've been terribly burned many times in the past. I realized that if this friend was gonna be back in my life, I would have to drop my expectations for that person and just take him as he is in the particular moment. This is the only way I know how to stay open and still protect myself emotionally.

What has happened, as a result, is a much calmer, more self confidant me that can care and still not get all worked up when my friend "does it again." I have my own life and friendships, it would be great to be best friends again but he hasn't yet shown that his maturity is there. I continue to show him unconditional kindness but in a compassionate way, I will not let myself be used in his drama.
posted by MonkeyButter 06 July | 20:39
Yes. I think I can avoid too much drama and see her in small doses. She is a good person but has some issues, obviously. Don't we all.

I think I have matured somewhat since we last spoke. She probably has too. I can go in with new eyes.
posted by LoriFLA 06 July | 21:27
And thanks for all of the comments and helpful advice.
posted by LoriFLA 06 July | 21:27
Sounds like you'd like contact again... just don't leave her alone with your husband. ; )
posted by Pips 06 July | 22:25
How old is she? I was just thinking that the need for attention/cheating thing first of all gets less with age in most people -and second of all I don't know anyone who's spawned who didn't suddenly "grow up" quite fast after that. Then again, I know that people don't always do it - just my personal pals went way mature all of a sudden (and I know a gal who had her first child at fourteen - she was like a young lady going on 25 after that, steady job, very arranged life, studying at night so that she could get a better job etc).
posted by dabitch 07 July | 02:45
I don't think I could be friends with her again. One needs to be able to respect and trust one's friends. But then most people find me too hard line on stuff like this...

The advice in here about proceeding slowly and keeping the friendship at a lower level at first is very sound. Also, listen to Pips on not leaving her alone with your husband;-)
posted by Orange Swan 07 July | 08:18
My personal, jaded advice? She hasn't changed, so unless you are prepared to deal with all the hand-holding, infidelity, and self-absorbed bullshit you have mentioned before, steer clear. The first thing she tells you is that she wanted to call you because she had "questions about her baby and was at her wits end"? So now she expects you to assure her her BABY doesn't have a brain tumor? UGH.

I have one of these "bad penny" friends too, and each time she self-destructs and sends me a strongly worded email denouncing me as the root of all woe in her existence (this last time around the psycho went so far as to have her husband send letters to MY friends telling them what an awful person I was... and I still don't know what I did to piss her off) I vow I am never going to deal with her again. But, like your situation, I find myself missing her and when she turns up again I fall for it, only to have the cycle repeat again when she has another mental melt down. This has been going on for the better part of 20 years and I am over it.

Behavior like this is one thing in your 20s, but as you start to push 40 you realize that this kind of behavior doesn't make someone edgy and passionate, it makes them mentally ill and toxic. I just don't have the energy for someone else's bullshit anymore.
posted by evilcupcakes 07 July | 10:49
I know what you mean, evilupcakes. I try to avoid drama at all costs.

I was relieved that I wasn't talking with her when her baby was an infant. Her pediatrician probably wants to strangle her. When we were friends I had to reassure her a lot that she wasn't ill. She knew I was impatient with this behavior, and I wasn't going to coddle her, but she still looked for reassurance. It would go in patterns. For weeks she would be normal and fine and then for a week or two she would think she had a brain tumor. It was exhausting and I often told her to get a grip and she was lucky that she wasn't really sick, blah, blah. That tactic didn't work. We all have our quirks and such but I have little patience for hypochondria. I did try to be more understanding. She was neglected as a child. She was obviously anxious. She probably was looking for attention. I don't know.
posted by LoriFLA 07 July | 12:45
Wait, I thought I stopped reading AskMe.
posted by Eideteker 07 July | 23:00
Wait, I thought I stopped reading AskMe.

Noted.
posted by LoriFLA 07 July | 23:28
Eh, don't mind me. It was late and I was cranky.
posted by Eideteker 08 July | 16:03
OMG BY ELECTION MAKES ME A TIRED KITTEH || I am eating a deerburger.

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