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26 April 2008

Standard-shift gearbox question . . . . So let's say I put the car in reverse and then, instead of breaking, while I'm still rolling backwards, I put the car in first and slowly let out the clutch till I move forward. Am I slowly grinding down the teeth on first gear? Not good?
[breaking shd be braking, of course. subconscious slip = am i breaking gear teeth?]
posted by shane 26 April | 12:37
You're putting it into first from neutral. How the car is rolling doesn't have much to do with the transmission, so I don't know why it would be grinding anything. Usually grinding gear teeth makes awful sounds.

I'm going to put my guess into Nothing Wrong With It, but mostly because I do this a lot.
posted by rhapsodie 26 April | 12:46
Right. It's not as if first gear is spinning backwards (unless it's an odd car and first/reverse are the same gear.)

Stupid question!

There's just more resistance on the engine since it has to overcome momentum in the opposite direction.
posted by shane 26 April | 12:50
I would say you were putting more wear on the clutch if anything. Kind of like using the clutch to hold yourself from rolling backwards on a hill rather than the brake.
posted by eekacat 26 April | 13:21
eekacat has it. You have to let the clutch out slowly to prevent a jerk forward, and letting out the clutch slowly increases wear on it, so you'll have to get it replaced sooner, if this becomes a habit.

General rule of thumb is don't use parts of the car for purposes other than they were designed. The brakes are there for slowing and stopping, the clutch not so much.
posted by middleclasstool 26 April | 14:17
Yeah, you're killing the clutch.
posted by doctor_negative 26 April | 14:26
I was taught to use the clutch nearly as much as the brakes but then my mechanic pointed out how much cheaper it was to replace brakes than clutches, so I've mostly stopped.
posted by small_ruminant 26 April | 15:52
It's no worse on the clutch that jumping from 1st to 3rd, just t he plates spinning faster relative to each other than normal.

It's not as if first gear is spinning backwards

But if the wheels are going backwards then something in the gearbox needs to be spinning backwards when you engage first. Depends on the exact design whether this does any damage.
posted by cillit bang 26 April | 17:29
But if the wheels are going backwards then something in the gearbox needs to be spinning backwards when you engage first.

Yeah, I guess that was what my mind was grasping at when I asked the question...

The accelerated clutch wear sounds possible, but then again I've never ever had to replace a clutch. Then again I'm super easy on the clutch at all other times.
posted by shane 26 April | 17:40
What you're describing is just the same as doing a sloppy handbrake start on a decent hill... it's what the clutch is for. Whether you're killing the clutch depends on the degree to which you're doing it.

Taken to extreme: face your car uphill, near the top of a huge hill. Roll backwards, while in first, and slow yourself down using the clutch. Wasteful and dumb, clutch-wear-wise, but I wouldn't have thought fatal for a while.

(and I'm with small_ruminant's mechanic on this one. I can change brake pads myself vs last year when my clutch died for $650, plus towing)
posted by pompomtom 26 April | 19:57
I was taught to use the clutch nearly as much as the brakes but then my mechanic pointed out how much cheaper it was to replace brakes than clutches.
Many of us were taught to do the same--it's a relic from the old days when even race cars didn't have reliable brakes. I figure my dad learned to drive in the 50s, from someone who learned to drive in the 20s, when it was, indeed, better to rely on the clutch. Sort of like pumping your brakes in a skid--used to be true, now, with automatic anti-lock brakes, isn't.
posted by mrmoonpie 28 April | 09:31
Already been said, but brakes are much cheaper to replace than a clutch and the clutch is wearing out faster when you use it to stop the car as you are. Just to drive the point home, I recently had to replace the clutch in my car and the original cost for a genuine part was $3,600 (including labour). Even with an aftermarket (non-genuine) clutch kit, it still cost me $2,000. I could replace the whole braking system on the car for that much.

Brakes used to be a lot less effective, but modern brakes are absolutely fine for any stopping you are likely to have to do outside a race track. Use the clutch for starting off and changing gear and the brakes for stopping and you car will thank you.
posted by dg 28 April | 21:31
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