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04 December 2007

Stop fucking drinking yourself to fucking death, how's that for advice? Man, just got off the phone with an old family friend (we call him "Uncle Mickey") who's in the fucking bag again.
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He's a lifelong alcoholic—his parents used to put a can of beer in his lunchbox starting around age 11—and he's further down the hole than I've ever heard him before. He's about 55 now.

Little about him: He hasn't ever had to work, due to some astute investments by his father (then multiplied by him, years ago), and still lives in the house he grew up in. His family is all dead, save his idiotic alcoholic brother, and his best friend (my uncle Jeff) died two years back. Mickey had been sober for about three years when Jeff died, but that put him off the wagon. He's had brief bouts of sobriety since then, but mostly it's just been fucking depressing drinking, alone and in this horrible house held over from the kitchy '30s, filled with weird Victrolas and horrible green linoleum.

He's in a dysfunctional relationship with a woman named Eudera, who essentially trades brief moments of affection for material reward, and sponges for her whole family off of Mickey. Prior to that, he was with a woman named Joan who did the same thing.

He's got severe anxiety issues, metaphorically referred to as "the squids." Like, if he has to go somewhere he hasn't been before, he freaks out about "the squids" getting him. It's unclear whether this is poetry or hallucination, and he's also got some pretty formidable depression issues (whodathunkit?).

So now I called him, after hearing from my dad that he'd been getting shitty again, just to say hey and remind him that he's not totally alone. And he's asking me for advice on what he should do. He dismisses detox, because everyone else there was worse than he was, and someone puked on him. I don't know what else to tell him, except, you know, that he should probably get a professional to deal with him, but he keeps saying that his doctor doesn't take his drinking seriously (which is contradicted by his doctor telling him he's gonna die if he doesn't stop drinking).

I just hate this impotent feeling as someone I really loved from childhood on has become this pathetic, lonely lush, crippled by, basically, mental diseases, and without the intellectual resources to get himself out of it. And I don't know what to do, except send him pornography (which he likes).

Jesus. It's hard not to just get pissed off at him, even though I know that won't do any goddamned good.
Yeesh. My heart goes out to you and your Uncle Mickey. I wish I could give you some helpful or productive insight... but you'll have to settle for my thoughts and good wishes, klang. Good luck.
posted by Joe Invisible 04 December | 23:23
Do you think he'd see a therapist? It sounds like it's be a long-shot, given his dismissal of detox, but it might be worth sounding him out on it. Maybe if you suggest it as a way of dealing with the squids and leave the drinking out of it? Sort of a bait and switch thing.

I dunno. You're in a tough spot. I wish I had something better to offer than "good luck".
posted by bmarkey 04 December | 23:43
Seems like one-on-one therapy would be a better option for him. Or even outpatient group treatment, if detox isn't an option he's willing to look at again.

(I was expecting this to be about this, to be honest)
posted by kellydamnit 04 December | 23:53
I had an uncle who drank himself to death by his late 50's. His son, my cousin, probably the closest thing I ever had to a brother, drank himself to death by 41. Sometimes you just can't save people. It sucks.

I wish you and your friend luck and goodness.
posted by arse_hat 05 December | 00:55
Man, I'm sorry you have to go through this - some people just seem determined to put themselves in harm's way.
posted by dg 05 December | 03:15
klangklangston, there's nothing - NOTHING - you can do unless he wants to help himself. It might sound corny and trite, but he has to hit a rock bottom before he'll get help. At the moment he's looking for excuses to drink - detox didn't work, doctor didn't help, etc. So there's nothing you can do to help him except let him know that, if he really, truly, honestly wants to stop, you'll support him in every way.

There's a phrase in Alanon (the 'sister' organisation to AA, for family/friends of recovering alcoholics) where they say they have to 'detach with love'. In other words, people have to follow their own paths, even if that path leads to self-destruction, and those around them have to take a step back, for their own health and sanity, and say "I'm here if you need help".
posted by essexjan 05 December | 04:09
I'm sorry you're going through this, klang, it sounds difficult and ouchy to say the least. I don't have any direct experience with alcoholics - at least not the kind who are unable to function in life normally otherwise, with a job & such. They seem like wise words from EJ; I can offer a hug and an ear/shoulder.
posted by chewatadistance 05 December | 07:54
Aw, klang. I've been there. My uncle drank himself to death at 42, leaving behind three young kids. It was beyond awful. It sounds like Uncle Mickey's primary problem is more than alcoholism, though. Seems like he's self-medicating some serious mental illness. I agree with bmarkey. Concentrate on getting rid of the squids and the drinking might become more manageable. I wonder if there are any resources for agoraphobics you could take advantage of.
posted by jrossi4r 05 December | 08:45
"Maybe if you suggest it as a way of dealing with the squids and leave the drinking out of it? Sort of a bait and switch thing."

Yeah, that's likely the best advice. One more complicating factor is that he's a devout Catholic, and a) his priest is beyond useless, and b) they discourage therapy (I don't know if this is a franchise doctrine, or from the mothership).

But thanks, guys. It was a little bit in response to that AskMe, but it's also why I stayed out of there—I don't have any good advice, really.
posted by klangklangston 05 December | 11:01
He should switch to pot.
posted by BitterOldPunk 05 December | 12:46
he keeps saying that his doctor doesn't take his drinking seriously (which is contradicted by his doctor telling him he's gonna die if he doesn't stop drinking).

Maybe he wants someone to "force" him to do something. Like show up, pack a bag for him and take him to a detox and ignore him saying "no no no". It could be that someone doing that would show that they really care or are really concerned about his drinking. I don't know why I feel that might be so, but what you wrote brought that to mind, klang.

It also reads like he has SAD which I totally relate to.

Anyway, being pissed-off at him is totally acceptable. Addiction has been a big part of my family history and I'm sorry you're having to go through this.
posted by deborah 05 December | 14:36
Concentrate on getting rid of the squids and the drinking might become more manageable.

Not necessarily. Severe panic attacks, depression, hallucinations, paranoia and anxiety are symptomatic of end-stage alcoholism.
posted by essexjan 05 December | 15:07
I would like to be a more educated classical music connoisseur. || OMG KITTY.

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