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18 November 2007

What's unique about your Thanksgiving? American bunnies, Thursday's Turkey Day. Probably the menus don't vary drastically, but what do you do or have that's pretty unique to your family?

At my parents' house:
We always have canned asparagus. ONLY at holiday meals. And we have cooked collards. Homemade potato salad. And tons of other edibles.

And chocolate meringue pie. Mmmm....
posted by bunnyfire 18 November | 21:36
MuddDude's family: sweet potato cheesecake. Delicious.

My family: after an early Thanksgiving dinner, my brother and I would play Rummikub with my grandmother (and any other willing victim). My grandmother was vicious - she had no mercy for even the youngest or most inexperienced player.
posted by muddgirl 18 November | 21:41
We have the traditional menu items: turkey, gravy, dressing, mashed potatoes, cranberry sauce, fresh green beans, sweet potatoes, rolls, etc. I guess the most unique dish we have every year are my mother's baked beans with a box of brown sugar and bacon.
posted by LoriFLA 18 November | 21:41
At my house, we generally skip the turkey feast, and have my Dad's spaghetti & meatballs, which he makes once a year on his birthday (November 28th, which falls near or on Thanksgiving most years).

Oh, and after dinner, we play a game. Everyone gets an index card. On one side you write what you're thankful for, and on the other side you write what you want for Christmas. You don't write your name. My Dad collects them all and reads them aloud, and everyone guesses who wrote the card. Works best with a larger crowd. I remember the year someone wrote they wanted a "new baby" on their card, and my Mom and her best friend looked at each other in horror. Who wanted a new baby? My 6 year old sister's friend Kelly- she wanted a baby DOLL! :-)
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 18 November | 21:46
My grandmother had this genteel, mid-20th-century habit of always having a relish tray. This was a cut glass dish divided into compartments, containing pitted black olives, celery sticks, scallions, radishes, and gherkin pickles, all resting on a bed of ice. It was sort of puzzling, as a kid...the items on the tray could not exactly be considered appetizers; they were just what was out there on the table when you got there. Inevitably, it got eaten, at least some of it.

When I was young I thought it was the most bizarre, outdated concept imaginable. Today, I have decided to keep it alive. I'm going to do a tiny update though, with some decent marinated olives instead of the canned ones, and a horseradish cream dip to make it all more appealing, and also, some oysters.
posted by Miko 18 November | 21:50
GReat story and great tradition, TPS.
posted by Miko 18 November | 21:51
Every year we have kugelis. It's a cakey potato dish with bacon and onions. I ate it as a kid, but after watching my dad make it year after year and saving and then adding the bacon drippings to it, I can't eat it anymore.

I'm introducing a spicy corn casserole this year. Mmm mmm!
posted by viachicago 18 November | 21:59
With my immigrant grandparents, we've had a few odd Thanksgiving dinners. One year nonna bought a capon by mistake, another year she cooked it upside down. Well, it's the though that counts.

Pips had a Cuban-American student in Miami, who told her 'Every year my grandma chops up the turkey and cooks it in a pot with tomatoes and onions, no matter what I tell her...'

Nice to know it's semi-universal.
posted by jonmc 18 November | 22:20
Ha, Miko! I was at ikkyu's family's last Thanksgiving, and he put together a relish tray, and I was kinda WTF? about it.

On the other hand, a pretty tray full of pickled goodness is never a bad thing.
posted by occhiblu 18 November | 22:25
Oohhh...kugelis...

That's a MuddDude family recipe that I'm going to firmly resist. MuddDude likes it with a mix of ketchup and sour cream.

KETCHUP AND SOUR CREAM. Those two condiments should not coexist on one dish.
posted by muddgirl 18 November | 22:27
Ketchup and sour cream are most excellent together on latkes, and you can even add applesauce if you're, like, totally gross like me.

Our Thanksgiving is pretty traditional - this year, though, due to a request from my son, we're having key lime pie instead of apple. Whoa! Rebellion in the ranks! Other than that it should be the standard: turkey & stuffing & mashed potatos & sweet potatos & creamed onions (is that one weird? We have it every year.) and green bean casserole and broccoli and carrots and rutabagas, and lord help me, what else? I have a list somewhere. Bread. Pies. This year we're having a lot of friends over as well as family, which always makes me the happiest and I'm excited.
posted by mygothlaundry 18 November | 22:36
Just getting two members of my family in the same state for Thanksgiving is pretty unique. We were never much of a holiday-type bunch.
posted by mischief 18 November | 22:41
The unique thing about our Thanksgiving is that we don't spend it with any family. We have a 4 year now tradition of having Thanksgiving with a bunch of doctors who are on call or working. So people come and go, but it's an all-day affair.

This year we will have turkey, stuffing, cranberry sauce, mixed roast vegetables (that's me, so it's rutabaga, potatoes, carrots, beets, celeriac, fennel, yams, and shallots), mashed taters, salads, green beans with bacon, rolls, pumpkin cheesecake, ice cream, and strawberries.

BTW I just found a recipe that called for pouring vermouth over the veges before you roast them. Anyone done that? What's it taste like?
posted by gaspode 18 November | 22:44
We have large groups attend, our biggest was nearly 150 family members but the average is between 40 and 50.

New members of the family, babies and new spouses, have to walk the table after dinner, barefoot, through the leftover food.

And we have the most awesome assortment of pies you could ever imagine!

Sadly we are not flying back to New England for it this year.
posted by fenriq 18 November | 22:44
My grandmother had this genteel, mid-20th-century habit of always having a relish tray. This was a cut glass dish divided into compartments, containing pitted black olives, celery sticks, scallions, radishes, and gherkin pickles, all resting on a bed of ice. It was sort of puzzling, as a kid...the items on the tray could not exactly be considered appetizers; they were just what was out there on the table when you got there. Inevitably, it got eaten, at least some of it.


Miko, my mom has done this every single year, except it's full of radishes, black olives, celery sticks, carrot sticks, raw cauliflower and broccoli, cucumber slices, and some sort of dip. Oh, and for some curious reason, chunks of cheddar cheese. This is the first year I've convinced her not to do it. We're having Thanksgiving at my house, and I am introducing the ever-so-unique concept of mashed potatoes.

For some reason I will never understand, we also always have kimchi and rice, but nobody ever eats any of it. Once again, I'm discouraging this tradition this year. All we're having is turkey, fresh string beans, stuffing, mashed potatoes, rolls and pumpkin pie. That's it.

This goes with my philosophy that Thanksgiving is generally a really wasteful holiday in which everybody gets stuck with more leftovers than they could possibly want. Reduce the number of dishes you make and you reduce the number of inedible leftovers. Brilliant, eh?
posted by brina 18 November | 23:18
Reduce the number of dishes you make and you reduce the number of inedible leftovers. Brilliant, eh?

Yeah, I guess I can say that once I started hosting my own Thanksgivings, I was unique in my family on cutting waaaaay back on the food. I still make army-sized portions of the stuff I do make, but I don't bother with 37 different dishes of things that only one person will bother eating.
posted by occhiblu 18 November | 23:27
Well, our biggest tradition is that my grandmother often gets drunk and says something sweet but kind of inappropriate. The year that she told the grandkids that it was OK if we were gay was really nice, but the year she announced that everybody masturbates and no one should feel bad about it was...uncomfortable.

It can't be helped, really. She works booze into every dish she serves and the quantity has increased as she gets older. The mashed potatoes are basically a couple of spuds and a bottle of chardonnay. And the bourbon balls, GOOD LORD--they'll make your gums itch. No joke.

TW I just found a recipe that called for pouring vermouth over the veges before you roast them. Anyone done that? What's it taste like?
Don't do it, 'pode! It's a gateway drug!
posted by jrossi4r 18 November | 23:35
To date, my family has never cooked a turkey. This year mum's inviting people over for hotpot/shabu-shabu.
posted by casarkos 18 November | 23:40
We have always been puzzled about this "leftovers" thing. We don't really have any. We make the dinner, then we eat it in various combinations for 2 more days, then done with it.
posted by Miko 18 November | 23:45
Does it count as a tradition if we've only done it once before? Baked polenta with mushrooms and gorgonzola is making a repeat appearance on our menu this year, if we don't just cave and make a reservation at the local outstanding restaurant. Outside of that, our Thanksgiving meal has only been unique because we're both vegetarians.
posted by Lassie 18 November | 23:48
I don't much celebrate TG but the family does. There are many food traditions but one that, a-hem, sticks out, is peanut butter cookies my sister bakes that we affectionately refer to as Viking Breast Cookies for the Hersey's Kiss that sits in the middle of each one. At some point during dessert, someone will ask where those cookies are, by name, rather loudly, well and intentionally within ear-shot of a first time guest. Good times.
posted by MonkeyButter 19 November | 00:19
I was still speaking to my brother when he lived in Arizona; he hosts T-day for his theater pals. One year I suggested goose (one of his friends who loved to cook was in charge) instead of turkey--perhaps a breast if people really missed it. Chupahija insisted on having the whole turkey as well. Out of the twelve guests about half were vegetarians.

My cousin and South Asian coworker roommates were given a turkey one year by their company. Andy had wanted to save the carcass for soup, but he came home one day to find his housemates had curried the flesh and tossed the bones.

I want his mother's recipe for turkey--all the white meat comes out moist.


Two years ago, I was in Berlin and went to a modern German place with oddly presented food. Last year was right after my father's surgery and I had to beg to be included at my aunt's relatives. Before that I would go to my cousins' but neither of them host it any more. When I lived on Central Park South I was able to see the whole parade from the beginning. I tried to have a party one year but only one person showed up. Now I can only see the balloons go by from my bedroom window a block away from Broadway; there's only space for me and somone a head taller than I am.

I wasn't invited anywhere; I guess I'll call and see which places that are open still have a spot free. Chinese places are usually closed then; unlike Christmas.
posted by brujita 19 November | 02:14
I am mildly amused to learn how abstruse you guys find the "relish tray." I always thought it was an everyday thing. Makes sense to me; puts all that good pickled stuff in one place where you can find it easily.
posted by ikkyu2 19 November | 03:01
In my family, no Thanksgiving was complete without deviled eggs. I don't know if that's a common thing or not, but damn, do I love deviled eggs.

My partner's family, who are mostly down around Savannah, have a tradition of spending the Thursday with their immediate families, but then on the Saturday after, they have this HUGE gathering of all the kinfolk, kind of a cross between Thanksgiving and a family reunion. Lucky for us, they usually have it at one of his cousin's homes near Atlanta, so we get to go, most years... some years there are probably close to 200 people there, with maybe 40 of 'em being kids.

I come from a very small family- a big gathering for us was always 18 or 20 people. Going to a huge family event like this is just so, so cool- and the fact that my partner has some hilarious, eccentric, and awesomely sweet relatives just makes it all the better.

P.S. I like relish trays
posted by BoringPostcards 19 November | 03:25
but not as much as I like deviled eggs
posted by BoringPostcards 19 November | 03:29
Cuban grandma chops up the turkey and cooks it in a pot with tomatoes and onions...'

Nuts to this puritan starchy-snoozefest, I wanna eat ropa vieja de turkey with Abuelita!
posted by Triode 19 November | 03:49
Luv the eggs of the deveel. And relish trays.

Since we lost mom, the sister closest to me in age has hosted Thanksgiving. She finally saw (my) light last year and became a vegetarian, and her daughters, then sons, and finally husband gradually made the same decision.

So, this will be the first all-vegetarian Thanksgiving for our family. I am freaking pumped!

Not to cast judgement or take anything away from you turkey lovers, but it really does sort of gross me out.
posted by tr33hggr 19 November | 08:38
My family does deviled eggs, but not at Thanksgiving as I remember, but through the xmas-New Year period.

Sadly, we've (V. and I) let Thanksgiving go now, for many years. Nobody celebrates here, and he is usually working. We tried to hold onto it for the first few years we were here, but it slipped away from us. However... I don't think he'll be working Thursday, and maaaaaybe we'll manage it. Maybe.

This thread has inspired me to email my mom just to find out what the current Thanksgiving menu is like. It used to be turkey, mashed potatoes, sweet potatoes, green bean casserole, squash casserole (I would forgo every other dish for this one alone, if need be - faboo deluxe), green salad, dressing, cranberry relish... and probably some other stuff I'm forgetting. Plus pies: pumpkin and pecan.

Relish trays are sweet and lovely, and make me think of the South. My first husband's genteel-aristocrat grandmother would have one at every fried-chicken, mashed potato, greens, cornbread, and sweet-tea lunch she ever served us. *swoon*
posted by taz 19 November | 08:51
My mother's dining room table, which is round and seats 18 adults comfortably, even if Dad is the only one who gets a chair with arms. My sister and I have no idea what we'll do with the table once we no longer have parents or my parents no longer have a dining room in which it fits. It's a lovely table. Which needs a substantial lazy susan.
posted by crush-onastick 19 November | 09:51
Mom used to do a relish tray, I think my sis still does. I try really hard not to hog the olives. If I ever get around to participating as one of the clan again, I may try to sneak in some pickled radishes. The others don't know what they've been missing.

This year I had an early T'giving dinner with a bunch of vegetarian and vegan Seventh-Day Adventists. I can say tofurkey's a pretty nice switch even though I wouldn't prefer it.

A fambly tradition that died with my Dad was oyster casserole. When I was a kid, I couldn't get past the yuk factor, but by college, I'd be snorkin' down oysters and crackers right alongside him. I think Mom used about a pound of butter it, too.
posted by PaxDigita 19 November | 09:54
I am mildly amused to learn how abstruse you guys find the "relish tray." I always thought it was an everyday thing. Makes sense to me; puts all that good pickled stuff in one place where you can find it easily.

I think it is an everyday thing, or at least it used to be. We always had one, until recently. My MIL still serves a relish tray. There is a restaurant in town that serves one also. I find it very old fashioned and yummy.

I try really hard not to hog the olives.

Me too, pax.

My grandmother used to make ambrosia every year, or maybe it was for Easter. It was a shame, because hardly anyone ate it. I liked it.

We also have cranberry sauce in the can and homemade cranberry sauce. We like both.
posted by LoriFLA 19 November | 10:14
I'm totally an olive-hogger, if they're sweet black olives. I'll eat every single one without blushing. I think Greeks think the gliko olives are wimpish, but I could eat a straight pound of them for supper right now.
posted by taz 19 November | 11:21
In my cursory research on the relish tray, which subject I find really intriguing, it seems to have arisen in the late 19th-early 20th century to celebrate the availability of fresh foods shipped by rail from California in refrigerated train cars. Celery was a rare delicacy then, and anything fresh was a wonderful treat. So the scallion/celery combo was put out on ice to emphasize the freshness and chilled-ness of those veggies, and they were combined with the traditional 'pickles' that have been on American autumn and winter tables since Colonial times. Most of the things in relish tray provide either crisp crunch or acidic tang, both nice counterpoints to a rich meal.

The tradition was so lace-curtain and archaic that I always really enjoyed it.
posted by Miko 19 November | 12:11
Miko, was there a geographic area where the relish tray started, then? Your comment would make me think it was either not in California at all (it wouldn't have occurred to them because the produce was so available), or else started there (because the produce was so available) -- I'd be interested to know which, if you knew!

(I'm now totally fascinated by the relish tray!)
posted by occhiblu 19 November | 12:20
Occhiblu, here's the LA Times article in which I discovered that tidbit. Relevant excerpt:

The tradition doesn't date back to Plymouth Rock, but it's been with us for a good long while. It became widespread in the late 19th century when Southern California vegetables were first shipped around the country in air-conditioned railway cars.

Before that time, many destinations back East didn't have much choice of fresh vegetables in November.

Celery played an important role on the tray because it was a special occasion treat. Before self-blanching varieties were developed in the 20th century, celery was a labor-intensive product. The stalks had to be blanched by covering them with dirt as they grew, the same way that endive is blanched, and for the same reason — traditional celery varieties were too bitter to eat if the stalks were exposed to light and turned green.

Hard as it may be to imagine now, celery was once so upscale that special dishes were designed for displaying and serving it. And at Thanksgiving, people were willing to splurge on this luxury food.

Being located in the nation's vegetable garden, Southern Californians became particularly fond of the relish tray. From the beginning of the 20th century until well into the 1960s, more or less condensed versions automatically appeared on the table at many Southland restaurants. Like the custom of serving salad before the meal (which shocked Easterners who served it at the end, in the French manner), it was part of our patriotic infatuation with local produce.


The relish tray thing is definitely interesting as a cultural/foodways thing. And since it's really pretty recent, it would be fun to research. I suspect that the tradition took off earliest in the East and Southeast most because of the relative rarity of celery here. In one of the Victorian houses here, we have on display a large glass celery, which looks like a vase. It really is meant to hold a bunch of celery...just plain. It was so exotic and treasured a vegetable to Eastern Victorians that they had this special glassware to show it off on the dinner table. So the timing makes sense.

The Food Timeline has an early (1924) mention of relishes:
Mrs. Allen on Cooking, Menus, Service, Ida C. Bailey Allen (c. 1924), Chapter IX: "Foods that begin a meal" (p. 103-118)
Canapes, hot and cold, cocktails (fruit, oysters, clam, lobster, crabmeat), relishes (olives, pickle, radish roses, plain/stuffed celery, pickled pears or peaches, salted nuts).

Fun.
posted by Miko 19 November | 12:33
Very cool. I was actually just thinking about how much celery is in the stuffing recipe my mother used for Thanksgiving, and how that was always my favorite part of the dish.

I'm wondering how much immigration patterns influenced the relish tray, too? It seems very Italian to me, like an antipasto tray or bagna cauda, but (1) I'm not sure how big the Italian population of Southern California would have been at the time, though I know there was a lot of Italian settlement in Central California going on, (2) I'm certainly not sure that other culinary traditions don't have something similar, and (3) it could have nothing to do with imported cultural traditions at all, of course.

The salad thing is also awesome, however, because I think ikkyu thinks I'm nuts for preferring the salad after the meal (though that's a cultural pretension I picked up in learning Italian cooking, not something I grew up with).
posted by occhiblu 19 November | 12:43
We always had a relish dish, too, and it's a specific silvered-glass dish that was never used for anything but the holiday relish tray: Easter, Thanksgiving, Christmas. Filling the relish dish was one of my earliest Thanksgiving tasks, usually supervised by my non-cooking father, who introduced the tradition of "testing the olives." To protect the health of other diners, we dutifully ate five or six plain canned black olives apiece (off our fingertips, natch) before deeming them safe.

This tradition continued well into my thirties. As he aged, he spent more time in bed, and I vividly remember taking a break from preparing Thanksgiving dinner to bring a small dish of olives to his bedside so we could "test" them.

I miss him.

It occurs to me that we haven't used the relish dish since Dad died. I wonder if my mother moved it when she sold the house, or if she got rid of it. If I can find it, we're having one this year.
posted by Elsa 19 November | 13:43
Booze. Lots of booze. Oh -- and a relish tray!
posted by ericb 19 November | 16:08
We always had a relish tray growing up only it wasn't really a tray, just a bunch of nice dishes with pickles, olives, those little onions, celery, radishes, etc. Mum (or Nonnie - my grandmother) would set it out to try and stave off the ravening hordes waiting for the main meal. I grew up in SoCal and Mum grew up in Arizona and SoCal, Nonnie grew up in Arizona BUT her mum (my ggmum) grew up in Wisconsin and came from a fairly well-to-do family. So, I think the tradition started with her and the dishes used were definitely hers.

I think, overall, it was a traditional set up. The only difference from most families was there were at least a couple people who'd drink way too much, pick fights, break things and/or have a crying jag. Oy vey. I'm so glad that's done with.
posted by deborah 19 November | 16:50
We always had a relish tray growing up only it wasn't really a tray, just a bunch of nice dishes with pickles, olives, those little onions, celery, radishes, etc.


I remember one of those glass relish trays with black pitted olives, and those teeny sweet pickles. There had to be other stuff in there but I forget what it was.

Also grew up in S. Cal. Going to San Fernando to my grandparents' every Tgiving.

trivia note: grandfather was frigging MAYOR or San Fernando in the 50's. There is a pic somewhere of him shaking hands with Earl Warren. They look like twins
posted by danf 19 November | 16:54
BUT her mum (my ggmum) grew up in Wisconsin and came from a fairly well-to-do family.


There you go, deborah - we could very well be distant cousins, thrown together, by fate, on metachat!

awww! *slobbers (and terrifies) deborah with heartfelt holiday kisses*
posted by taz 19 November | 17:00
From what I remember, my family tradition was for everyone to drink far too much and make asses of themselves.
posted by chuckdarwin 19 November | 17:29
The only difference from most families was there were at least a couple people who'd drink way too much, pick fights, break things and/or have a crying jag.

That's different from most families?
posted by Miko 20 November | 09:13
Thanksgiving was never as big a deal for me as it was for some. I grew up in Canada with relatives in the U. S., so neither date worked out all that well. None of our relatives were around for Canadian Thanksgiving, and we rarely had time off for the American one.

Eventually my brother and I devised our own pseudo-Thanksgiving sometime between the two dates. For various reasons we called it the "Feast of the Great Upic". The versions he and I did together didn't involve turkey, since he's a vegetarian, but there was always pumpkin pie and the usual other stuff. Since then I've added birds back into the mix, but not generally a turkey: a goose sometimes, or ducks, or one year there was ostrich!

I fell out of the habit when I moved out here, because of having a very weird apartment and not a lot of local friends. This year I tried to do it, but was foiled by uncooperative plumbing and had to call it off.

No relish tray, though. And the boozing was generally just enough to make people a tiny bit sillier and more voluble than usual.
posted by tangerine 20 November | 22:46
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