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31 July 2007

The Fear The holiday with my brother's family is looming large. [More:] I have been living in the UK for two years now. So far, three people from America have come to visit us here (which isn't surprising since it's far away and expensive).

My mother and her most recent husband (I'm a bit long in the tooth for a new stepdad, thanks) came over last year for a bit, and they had a really good time. I won't say that they were NO TROUBLE, but it went pretty smoothly. They mostly had fun becuase my mom had a week or so where she didn't have to wait on three people hand and foot (the long story about her silly situation is another post), so she was in a great mood.

My best friend and one-time musical partner from the states came over last June. We had a really good time; he loved it, and we went to Stonehenge on the Solstice. Here's a video. It was 110% fun, and a little too quick, tbh.

On August 8th, my brother, sister-in-law, and nephew are coming to visit... and I'm apprehensive. They've never been out of the states, they don't really like to do the same sort of things that we like to do: he said they were up for anything as long as it didn't involve a lot of walking. Newsflash: we live on the Malvern Hills... people come here from far and wide to, um, WALK. *sigh*

They're not exactly 'proactive' in the parenting department (we are), so my nephew tends to be a little rowdy. He is also sadly addicted to crap food and x-box (neither of which we have) and has a really terrible sleep cycle. I'm hoping that jetlag and being around his older (very upbeat, fun) cousins will sort him out whilst he's visiting.

My brother and SIL tend to bicker, drink too much, use foul language in front of the kids (as if they were invisible) and watch really inappropriate stuff on TV (constantly). They tend to be really negative people, and the atmosphere around them kind of oppressive and sarcastic. It's really rubbed off on my poor nephew, but I hope he can get past it around the girls... he has gotten into some trouble at school for saying and doing inappropriate things (gee, I wonder where he learned that).

In the states, we would run into them now and again (for one or two days) and always breathe a sigh of relief as we drove home. The sigh of relief which says "we may be fucked up, but we're nowhere near as fucked up as those people."

They're comfortable in their rut, and very uncomfortable out of it. They're also very, very unreconstructed Americans, in that they have an ignorant, ingrained (illogical, uninformed, silly) belief that America is the Greatest Country In The World. I imagine that they are going to spend most of their time complaining about England.

I really don't think they're going to have fun here, and ten days of my precious annual leave (I get 25, but I've already used a bit of it) will be wasted. There wasn't much I could do when he announced that they were coming over. I couldn't say "we don't want you to visit..."

We're a little stuck for things to do. We tend to do really kid-oriented stuff or National Trust days out. We normally hit the Safari Park... Sea Life Centre... Zoos... Farm Parks... The Welsh Show Caves... we could do a day out in London... Welsh Beaches. We're up for doing all sorts of stuff, but I think they're just going to want to sit around, get drunk, and be lazy.

Fuck if know what to do about it. Should I just grit my teeth for ten days? I probably won't see them again for years.

Ten days is a long time to grit your teeth; they'll be tiny little nubs by the end of the visit.

T'were me, I'd kindly arrange something for them for part of their time with you... away on their own for a wee bit (explain that some duties at work will require you to be otherwise involved for those days, blah, blah). British bunnies may have some idea where to send them to, but I'd be pretty aggressive in pushing that - even insofar as lining up transport, etc.

I really hope they're not coming over with almost no money to spare, because that makes is so much harder... but if they have a little dosh, make it really easy for them to spend some of it elsewhere for a little trip in the middle of the trip, so you can welcome them, hang out for three or four days, start becoming pretty fed-up and crazy, send 'em off for three days while you catch your breath and get some alone time, then welcome them back for another three days. Piece of cake! Not the greatest, most delicious cake ever - but so much tastier than 10 days straight.
posted by taz 31 July | 05:13
I certainly hope they're going to bring enough money to be able to go off on their own for a bit. I don't actually know how much they're bringing.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 05:32
Is there a reason they're coming?
posted by cillit bang 31 July | 05:38
Is there a reason they're coming?

Yeah, but it hasn't been clearly articulated. I think it's because my nephew hasn't seen his cousins in two years.

p.s. My SIL is terrified of air travel... which just makes everything more wonderful.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 05:51
How old is your nephew?
posted by taz 31 July | 06:26
Seven.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 07:22
Is it possible that they (and you) could be more open minded about the trip than speculated?

That being said, if it were I, I'd negotiate a neutral accommodation for them so everyone can have their own space. Also, suggest they poke around online for things to do that interest them, for which you could choose to join them or not. You don't have to be glued to them 24/7, which would also mean you don't have to sacrifice the entire 10 days out of your holiday stash.

There seems to be alot of information missing to offer any solutions. Like, who initiated the plan to visit? Is this brother older or younger? What does he (and your SIL) do for a living? What kind of hobbies do they have?

Answers to the above will lead you and them to the things to do/not do, and keep expectations on both sides reasonable. Whether related or not, the differences in people (such as spirit of adventure or food likes/dislikes) don't make them better or worse than each other, just different.
posted by chewatadistance 31 July | 07:25
One of the coolest things I did in England that didn't require much walking was to take organized bus trips to famous places like Bath, Stratford-upon-Avon, and other places like that. (Usually I don't dig that touristy sort of crap, but the historical parts were pretty interesting). If they're not really into the history thing, there's touristy shopping and non-threatening food on those trips as well.
posted by muddgirl 31 July | 07:34
the Safari Park... Sea Life Centre... Zoos... Farm Parks... The Welsh Show Caves...

Dude, just do that stuff! That sounds totally like fun, unusual enough to be Exciting but not Scary and if they want to drink too much, give them flasks full of vodka to carry. I know, family can be difficult and make you miserable but, well, they're also all the family you really get. If all else fails, think about how much happier you can make your nephew, even if it isn't instant, even if it's just something he remembers, by simply demonstrating that there are other ways to live and things to do than those he's gotten accustomed to. Kids need exposure to all kinds of different people and places and things or parts of their brains stagnate and stale. If your brother & SIL want to sit around, watch the tube, drink beer and bicker, let them do it and take the kids out.

25 days of annual leave? *ponders grudgingly given 10 days of annual leave and whimpers, damn america*
posted by mygothlaundry 31 July | 08:40
Too bad they're not coming in early November, you could tell 'em the burning Guy Fawkses are actually Washington and Jefferson.
posted by Hugh Janus 31 July | 08:58
Could you send the parents off on bus tours/whatever and take the kid to the interesting slightly more walking suggestions?

posted by edgeways 31 July | 09:17
Who knows? Maybe your brother and his wife are looking to get out of their rut.

If it were me I'd grin and bear it. Although, I'm generally a doormat, so take that as you will.

I agree with the idea to have a plan for almost every single day that they will be visiting. Even if it's just lunch around the corner and a trip to a local park. The kids will surely be exhausted from the daily activities. While they are in bed sleeping, y'all can watch movies and crack some beers.

Your brother reminds me of my friend Marnie. Marnie isn't my sister though. Try to go easy on your brother. If you're annoyed with his fucked-up behavior during the trip you will be miserable.

I would start sending him a few links to places you would like to visit. Along with a message that says something like, "Hey Bro, these places are really fun, can't wait for you to see them."
posted by LoriFLA 31 July | 09:34
Like, who initiated the plan to visit?


He did; I think he is genuinely curious about why I left and why I've chosen to stay. I suspect he thought I'd have come back to the states by now.

Is this brother older or younger?


Older; we're not very alike, and don't have a great deal in common.
What does he (and your SIL) do for a living?


He's a golf writer. She works for Cardinal Health... very corporate.

What kind of hobbies do they have?


Golf is his thing. He is planning to play some golf at The Belfry with my wife's stepdad at least once (I don't play). I talked him into going to The Belfry, which is probably going to be the highlight of his trip.

Whether related or not, the differences in people (such as spirit of adventure or food likes/dislikes) don't make them better or worse than each other, just different.


Wise words, indeed. I'm hoping that they will be so surprised by a new country that they'll be more laid back and happy than they usually are.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 11:01
If your brother & SIL want to sit around, watch the tube, drink beer and bicker, let them do it and take the kids out.


I'm thinking that that will be the default plan.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 11:02
One of the coolest things I did in England that didn't require much walking was to take organized bus trips to famous places like Bath, Stratford-upon-Avon, and other places like that. (Usually I don't dig that touristy sort of crap, but the historical parts were pretty interesting). If they're not really into the history thing, there's touristy shopping and non-threatening food on those trips as well.


We probably will hit Stratford. We like the Cotswolds, too, but if they want to see cities I can take them to Brum or Bristol or Cardiff. If they really want to see London, I know a cheap way to do it.

**Thanks for the advice, people. I do think I need to keep an open mind.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 11:05
25 days of annual leave? *ponders grudgingly given 10 days of annual leave and whimpers, damn america*


25 is standard; higher-ups get even more. Hell, in other European countries, 25 is seen as paltry.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 11:06
Take them to Warwick Castle, chuck. It's fucking awesome.
posted by essexjan 31 July | 11:34
I get 35 days annual leave, plus the standard 8 UK bank holidays.
posted by essexjan 31 July | 11:35
Yeah, I get 25 plus the eight.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 12:44
chuckdarwin, I popped in here to empathize and possibly give advice, but you sound much more sanguine already! Good for you!

One thing I have done with visiting children whose parents have different rules than I have: I explain that different houses have different rules, and in this house we don't [eat jam sandwiches on the sofa/ use that word/ set cats afire]. My nieces and nephews and friends' youngsters have been receptive to this logic.

For me, it's more productive than criticizing anyone's parenting, and it's usually a matter of different rules, not better ones. I just want to keep peace in my own home.
posted by Elsa 31 July | 13:24
For me, it's more productive than criticizing anyone's parenting, and it's usually a matter of different rules, not better ones.


Sage advice! I think he'll be fine. He just wants someone to pay attention to him [which is where I come in; I love the kid to pieces even if he is spoiled].

The tough bits are just what you'd think:

He is not made to go to bed at any particular time, and usually goes to bed around 11PM-12AM.

He is not made to eat what everyone else eats, so he subsists almost completely on KRAFT Mac and Cheese, mcnuggets, cheeseburgers. We eat food which will seem extremely exotic to him [vegetarian/pescetarian], but I think the kids may be able to goad him into trying it if his parents don't intercede and enable him to avoid anything new [their MO].

He can only sleep with a TV on, and we don't have a TV for this purpose [only a large Phillips in the sitting room].

He plays x-box [or some other station, I don't remember which - I dislike the things] about three hours per day or more. We don't have one and his won't work in this country.

**Left with us on his own for 10 days, he'd be fine: kids are amazingly plastic - he would moan for a minute, but once he realised that were weren't going to fold up like a cheap suit every time he threatened a tantrum, he'd snap to.

Witness: he's very happy and usually well-behaved at school or when he's alone around adults who enforce boundaries.

With his parents there to push around, things get ugly. THAT'S really what we're dreading; it's just taken me all day to articulate it.

Thanks for reading along, guys; it means a lot to me.
posted by chuckdarwin 31 July | 14:03
Good luck, chuckdarwin. It does sound like you'll be ok.

I'd probably approach them each morning with, "We're going to do X, Y, and Z today. Which parts would you like to join us for?" or "Our daughters really want to go to Z, so we'd like to take them and Nephew. Do y'all also want to join us?"

In other words, present the plan as a fait accompli, and simply give them the choice of whether to join it (or which parts of it to participate in), rather than trying to involve them too much in the formulation of the plans.
posted by occhiblu 31 July | 14:12
Also, I'd probably use their dislike of walking to my advantage, as a way to get a few hours of escape when necessary. "I'll be out on a walk, see you in a few hours!" can be one of the most wonderful sentences ever when you have house guests!
posted by occhiblu 31 July | 14:14
occhiblu FOR THE WIN!
posted by chuckdarwin 01 August | 03:47
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