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22 July 2007

AskMeCha: ridiculously specific pop music question.[More:]Some friends and I were talking about the use of key changes in pop songs. Not chord changes, mind you, but key changes. If you need an example, start listening to Cheap Trick's Surrender at about 2:04 in this video. The key change happens at about 2:38. They're frequently used to kick the song up a notch AWWRIGHT!!

Anyway, my pal maintains that not only is it a songwriting gimmick (which it is, but a good one when used properly) but that it's also a white thing. He felt that it just didn't happen very often in black music. As an example, we were mentally scouring the output of one of the best songwriters of all time, Prince, and trying to come up with a song in which he throws in a key change. We came up blank.

His wife and I argued that surely this trick is sometimes employed in huge, vibrant music like classic Motown and black gospel. But he had us: we couldn't think of a single song by a black artist that featured a big key change. But that's just because we hadn't harnessed the power of the hive mind...until now! So can you think of any?

Quick, hopefully unnecessary note for the very racially sensitive: I'm sure that this won't be construed as saying that black songwriters are less sophisticated than white ones or anything completely stupid like that. But if you want to construe it that way, be my guest, stupid.
Your link doesn't work - I can edit the post if you give me the link.

So yeah - what you're talking about is also known as a Gear Change! You knew there would be a website devoted to it, right? There was also a MF post about it a couple of years ago. There are some black artists in the list at Gear Change.
posted by iconomy 22 July | 13:17
1. Here's the url: http://youtube.com/watch?v=pD8ymBR2Ufo. Thanks for the help.

2. BRILLIANT! How is it possible that I've been a musician for this long and have never heard that term?! Scouring link and MF thread now.
posted by 2or3whiskeysodas 22 July | 13:22
I can think of a couple thousand tunes by black artists that have key changes, off the top of my head. Check out some jazz.
posted by paulsc 22 July | 14:04
This was the first one I thought of when trying to think of a black artist doing the key change thing.
posted by BoringPostcards 22 July | 14:39
A lot of black gospel has those key changes. I've even heard songs that have five or six of them.
posted by bunnyfire 22 July | 14:40
And fwiw black music is way more sophisticated (at least with chords) than a lot of white music I have heard.
posted by bunnyfire 22 July | 14:41
as much as i love cheap trick, every time i hear that spoken intro i keep expecting to hear "jimmy james" by the beastie boys.
posted by syntax 22 July | 15:35
pausc: Yeah, jazz for sure, obviously. But we were more talking about pop/rock songwriting.

I know my friend is wrong. He just tossed us a stumper at a party, and I'm trying to show him how incorrect he is. Bonus points for anyone who can name a Price song that pulls a gear change!
posted by 2or3whiskeysodas 22 July | 16:01
(Price = Prince above)
posted by 2or3whiskeysodas 22 July | 16:02
There are many different types of modulation (key changes). The one you're thinking about is when you simply ascend one key: from C major to D major, for instance.

That's not a traditionally standard modulation. Normally, one modulates up or down a fifth. From C major to G major or from C major to F major. The other big one is to change to the relative minor: C major to A minor. There's also change of mode: C major to C minor...

But, just popping everything up one diatonic key is a real cheesy 20th c thing, usually employed in bad country arrangements.

Never cared for it.
posted by chuckdarwin 23 July | 03:26
Mary J. Blige does it all the time.
posted by Hugh Janus 23 July | 08:07
As does Raw Spitt (protégé of Swamp Dogg).
posted by Hugh Janus 23 July | 08:10
And to answer your specific question, "Nothing Compares 2 U" definitely has one and "Let's Go Crazy" has a few but it could be argued that they aren't the key changes you're looking for. Prince uses them all the time. "When 2 R In Love," maybe?
posted by Hugh Janus 23 July | 08:13
*sings*

There's nothing finer
but how strange
the change
from major to miiiiiinoooorrrrrr
Everytime we say goodbye...
posted by jokeefe 23 July | 16:03
D'oh! The actual lyrics are

"there's no love song finer".

Bah. Oh well.
posted by jokeefe 23 July | 16:11
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