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20 January 2007

Q re: Janis I have a question about Janis Joplin for the musical minds here at Metachat.[More:] At the bar last night, I overheard a woman with whom I have a passing acquaintance say that she'd heard Janis do "Me and Bobby McGee" live before she died. I have always been under the impression that Janis never did that particular song live, since she only recorded it in September, 1970, and it wasn't released (as part of her Pearl album) in 1971, after she died. My conviction is bolstered by the fact that, despite Janis's well documented love of and talent for improvisation in her live performances, I have only ever heard her do the one, famous version of this song.

I have reason to believe that the barfly I overheard may have been stretching the truth for dramatic effect, but I had no choice but to let the assertion go unchallenged, since I didn't have access to the smart people here who might have been able to give me the right answer. So, now that I'm back in front of a computer, what's the right answer, do you know?
I think it's probably bull. I searched here, where the setlists are fairly comprehensive and it doesn't appear.
posted by essexjan 20 January | 10:26
On Google Books, Turn Out the Lights: Chronicles of Texas During the 80s and 90s (improbably) writes,

"The night after she died, most of Joplin's friends gathered at the Landmark Hotel in Hollywood. On that occasion, Kris heard for the first time Joplin's version of 'Bobby McGee'. Twenty-six years later, he saw a tape of her singing it at Threadgill's in Austin."

So I would have to say it's possible. But it's also possible that she's just tweaking her memory. I recently read (was this on mefi?) that people keep coming up to the Big Brother guys and saying how great they were at the 1967 Human Be-In, but they didn't even play ....
posted by dhartung 20 January | 10:29
I knew I could rely on you guys! dhartung's comment led me to investigate Threadgills in Austin, and I came up with this link.

Excerpts: "In July [1970], Janis literally returned to her musical roots when she traveled to Austin to help friends celebrate Kenneth Threadgill's birthday ... Once in Austin, Janis assumed a low profile, although she did sing a couple of songs for the crowd of eight thousand that turned out to honor Threadgill. After announcing she couldn't sing rock 'n' roll without her band, she asked for her "gitar." "Will someone tune this thing?" she said, adding she couldn't tune "worth shit." She then launched into two Kristofferson tunes, "Sunday Morning Coming Down" ("Almost as bad as Tuesday morning coming down--or Thursday morning coming down," she joked) and "Me and Bobby McGee."

I suppose it's possible that my acquaintance had the singular good fortune to be one of the crowd of 8,000 at Threadgill's birthday party. Serendipity, by definition, is a weird thing. When I see her next, I'll make sure to ask her where she caught this live performance.

Thanks, Essexjan and dhartung!
posted by Lassie 20 January | 10:48
I read somewhere (Phil Lesh's memoir?) that Janice and Bob Weir taught each other that song while on the Festival Express train trip across Canada in 1970. I guess it is possible that she performed it at one of those concerts.

The interesting musical note to the story was that they had the words and the chord structure, but not a recording by Kristofferson doing the song. That, apparently led to both of their versions being fairly different from his.
posted by mmahaffie 20 January | 12:08
I was about to say the same thing as mmahaffie. I checked Deadbase, but it wouldn't show up there unless Janis performed it with the Grateful Dead.
posted by terrapin 20 January | 12:37
That looks like an awesome documentary, mmahaffie. I'm going to keep an eye out for it. Thanks.

Speaking of musicians from the Sixties, it looks like Dennis Doherty died today.
posted by Lassie 20 January | 13:30
That, of course, should be Denny Doherty, not Dennis Doherty. Preview's for the boids, apparently.
posted by Lassie 20 January | 13:31
For what it's worth, yesterday would have been Janis's 64th birthday.
posted by mudpuppie 20 January | 16:45
I would be skeptical of it also. No way she ever played it with Big Brother. They were one of the few acts that I DIDN'T see back then, though.
posted by danf 20 January | 19:35
That looks like an awesome documentary, mmahaffie.

It is and it isn't. Half of the movie is the musicians jamming on the train, which is interesting. The other half are onstage musical performances from the various locations where they played. About half of those seem to be the last or next to last songs from the given act's encore. This makes for some pretty bipolar segues.

My gripe with the plethora of encore peformances is a suspicion that they were not the best musical choices. I would rather have seen Buddy Guy actually playing guitar rather than making with the crowd pleasing showman acrobatics, even if he was really revved up.

And I could have done without all the talking head shots of the artists still alive today. It's like they were trying to pad out the movie with filler. It makes me wonder just how much footage they had in that vault.
posted by y2karl 21 January | 16:10
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