Just remind them that military experts have concluded that information obtained from torture is usually useless, and that using torture is a failure of good interrogation.

If you can't appeal to their compassion, appeal to their Machiavellian, George S. Patton side. Meet the enemy on his own turf.

I have felt, for the last week or so, very eerie about the news. To wake up and hear an NPR reporter calmly state "The President is asking Congress to authorize interrogation techniques prohibited by the Geneva convention...."

What country is this again? What decade? What century?

Why did my grandparents go to war against fascism? For this?

Did you know that George Bush annually celebrates the birth of, and holds up as a role model, an executed criminal? And as often as once a week Bush participates in ritual cannibalism?

Did you know that George Bush annually celebrates the birth of, and holds up as a role model, an executed criminal? And as often as once a week Bush participates in ritual cannibalism?

I have never demonized George W. Bush. I DO think that he has been, for whatever reason, a terrible president, at this point in time.

And I think that applying his "signing statement" strategy the the Geneva Conventions will not get us anymore (needed) intel than using legal methods of interrogation. The most important information we have learned from Al Queda, by all accounts, has been through people we did not torture. It merely further degrades the image of the United States in the eyes of the international community.

Sure, viscerally, I would like to torture the people responsible for 9/11, the London and Madrid attacks, the Cole attack, the various Embassy bombings, but I also viscerally would like to do the same to Karl Rove. I am likely to not act on those urges.

I get the feeling sometimes that democracy naturally degrades to dictatorship. That that's the way of things, and the only thing slowing down the slide is millions of puny liberals, fingers stuck into various parts of the brickwork, ears ringing with the derision of a majority that can see the waters rising, that can see the mortar crumbling, that can see the swell of waves threatening to smash the levee walls.

Nice, seanyboy.
I've been yelling in my car a lot recently, mostly to NPR. It really freaks me out that we discuss these "insurgents" like they're not really humans. They never even have an opportunity to prove their innocence because of "national secrets."

Last week, Bush announced that 14 prisoners were being released from SECRET CIA PRISON CAMPS to Guantanamo, where they would No Longer Be Subjected to Torture. I felt I was the only one asking, "Wait, it's OK now to have SECRET CIA PRISON CAMPS WHERE PEOPLE ARE TORTURED?" And talking heads come on NPR criticising the Senate for "Micromanaging the President" because they don't support HOLDING A MANS HEAD UNDER WATER UNTIL HE BEGINS TO DROWN.

Sorry for the caps, I'm really feeling frustrated right now.