Attorney General Lord Goldsmith QC, sentencing the pair from Hertfordshire, said now Webster may never be released.

considering what the sick bastard did, that sounds fine to me.

... such was his depravity that it's questionable that he will ever be released and he may die in prison.

Oh, as soon as the general prison population find out why he's there, he's a dead man walking. If the authorities don't hide him in solitary, I'd say less than a week for the bastard.

NO! Why let the prisoners have all the fun? Let's break him out and string him up by a tree ourselves! Those "courts" and their "laws" don't know a damn thing about justice! I want his blood on my hands! WE WANT HIS BLOOD ON OUR HANDS!

The baby's mother was unaware of the abuse until detectives visited her after finding photographs detailing the abuse at Webster's home.


WTF, is that weird or not?

Damn, poor kid, I hope the other prisoners find out why he's there. Maybe its uncivilized of me to say but vermin like baby rapists do not deserve their lives. They should be executed and their organs should be harvested to try and repay some of their debt to humanity.

Yeah! Death penalty, onward ho!

The baby's mother was unaware of the abuse until detectives visited her after finding photographs detailing the abuse at Webster's home.

Any form of penetration, even presumably by a Q-tip is rape, no?

I'd like to share that my recovery (the kind this child will have to undergo)could not be going as well as it is if I held onto the kind of hate necessary to kill a person for this crime. I know we all have our own opinions and I respect yours. I just wanted to share.

Any form of penetration, even presumably by a Q-tip is rape, no?
Yup. Rape has been performed with stranger objects than q-tips. believe me.

Rape is a violent act. Period. The sexual satisfaction the rapist derives from the act is a profound relic e from pain and terrible anguish. The act of rape is the act of attempting to transfer that anguish to the other person, thus eliminating it in one's self. The anguish i feel is the anguish my attacker gave me. It makes us one. In a way, my recovery and forgiveness heals us both.

I'm not advocating he be executed, jelly. Just left someplace unpleasant for the rest of his life away from the rest of society will do fine.

I don't know what to say, either, except that every once in a while I rethink my views on the death penalty. It makes me feel sad and somehow soiled, but I do.

Also, jelly, you're a much better person than I.

That, john, is something i could agree with. in the oldie days, incoragables where left naked in the wilderness, in the hands of god, miles and miles away from any food, water, shelter or, cloths.

It would save tons on prison fees. We need a new Australia.

sticky,
I would think that the child, even a 12-week-old one, would exhibit signs of being mistreated. Of course I do not know. Child abuse is frequently overlooked by responsible adults. Either because of lack of knowledge/education on the issue, or because of naivety and denial or just plain neglect.

((jelly))

Child abuse is frequently overlooked by responsible adults.

Operative word responsible. I imagine rape of an infant would leave noticable warning signs that would get any non-brain damaged adult to start asking questions, so I gotta figure denial or complicity or at the very least criminal levels of neglect were involved.

I definitely don't want the blood of these two sick freaks on my hands, because that makes me no more sane then they are.

I used to believe in the death penalty, and now I can't because I don't want to access the same hate that would make people do things like this.

It all comes from the same dark hideous place in us.

all those things plus, the parent might be an unrecovered victim whose self awareness is deeply damaged. My mom never "heard" my cries for help 'cause she was hurt worse than i can even imagine. For her, where and when she grew up, these things where NEVER dealt with. It's just all so sad.

I will stop being so heavy now. Actually, my recovery is sufficient to go off now and clean the kitchen while enjoying imagining the brawny guy and mr clean on a romantic date. Aint love wonderful!

I don't see any hate in putting thoroughly despicable people down for their crimes. Maybe I'm being unintentionally obtuse but I see capital punishment as a balancing reaction to the original horrible action.

That, in death, he could be useful would be a small token towards his own karmic debt and that final utility might help to bring his victim some peace.

But, I should note that I've never been the victim of a violent crime, only some sexual chicanery when I was 7 or 8. Maybe my opinions are tainted because of it.

See, I differ there. The crime has already been committed, the family has suffered, and even if the perpetrator is put to death, the memory of the crime isn't gone. Which means you have to enjoy the killing of an obviously deeply-damaged individual, or at least equate justice to it.

I can't abide that, because they're the same deeply hateful, negative impulse.

The victims still suffer the same amount whether the person who did it is alive or dead. Plus you have to live with another death on top of the crime, which is doubly horrific.

I mean, if you believe the Death penalty is a good thing, could you physically do it yourself? Flip the switch, pull the pin, whatever, or even watch that being done to someone?

I couldn't without feeling scarred for life by it. And this is not to defend the actions of the sick people of this world, either. I just don't believe in perpetuating a never-ending cycle of vicious behavior.

I'm very much anti-death-penalty. Regardless of how heinous the crime is, I don't think any one person has the right to take another person's life, even if they have the convenient permission of the government.

However, I have no problem whatsoever with subjecting sick fucks like these two to treatment that makes them cry. Really, really cry. Like, cry so bad, they wish they'd never done it. Like, cry for the rest of their fucking lives. Like in Princess Bride, when Westly is on the rack. Now that, I have no problem with.

What mudpuppie said. That's what I wish could happen to my abusers - death is too easy.

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To me, cases like this are beyond punishment, beyond rehabilitation. The only sane solution is the make absolutely sure that the person cannot re-offend and the only way to do that is to remove them from society completely and permanently. This person not only has no value to our society, but has already had a huge net negative impact and the correct response is simply to cleanly, painlessly and economically kill them. If push comes to shove, I will flip the switch without a shred of guilt. Just pay my airfare and I'll be there. There's no hate involved, it's just disposing of trash.

Thirsty? Try blood!