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23 January 2006

CA election results here --not verified or anything tho
and cspan is showing live canadian tv showing results too.

at the bottom it says 24 Red, 11 Blue, 5 Gold, and 1 Turquoise
posted by amberglow 23 January | 21:21
it's CBC--it's that guy who anchors everything--Peter somebody?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 21:22
at the bottom it says 24 Red, 11 Blue, 5 Gold, and 1 Turquoise

Well, they've got a stunning evening gown going at any rate.
posted by jonmc 23 January | 21:25
Red is Liberal, Blue Conservative, NDP is Gold and Bloc Quebecois is Turquoise.

now it's 46, 27, 9, 4.
posted by amberglow 23 January | 21:33
I figured, dude. I just felt like cracking wise.
posted by jonmc 23 January | 21:34
Amberglow: Peter Mansbridge. That's the bald fella's name.

Things look to be shifting now...Mind you some of the reported numbers have people leading with 13 votes to 9. It's early yet.
posted by richat 23 January | 21:41
Dammit! It's 10:01 and still nothing on the elections canada site!
posted by richat 23 January | 21:46
Belinda's the one rumored to be sleeping with Clinton?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 21:47
Yup. She's a total starfucker that one. I have no idea how true to rumour is however.

Finally, some numbers!

The psycho religious freak in my riding has 3 votes so far. He's nuts, and an independant. The NDP and Libs are neck and neck so far here at home.

It's looking pretty blue on the TV though. Again, still early, but, it's looking blue.

Oh, and I still seem to have my crush on Wendy Messley.
posted by richat 23 January | 21:51
Conservative-minority govt, CBC says.
posted by amberglow 23 January | 21:53
CBC just called it a Conservative minority government. I am not sure if they are postive though.
posted by richat 23 January | 21:53
Not sure how a Conservative minority will work. NDP and Liberals have no advantage to working with them. BQ would but that would get the Conservatives hated in TROC.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 21:56
Of course forcing a new election right now would get the Libs and the NDP hated. It will be some interesting negotiation.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 21:57
Premiers are regional bosses?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 21:58
Yes, provincial leaders.
posted by richat 23 January | 21:59
arse_hat...I agree. I am pretty concerned about what the future holds up here.
posted by richat 23 January | 22:00
Hmm, a lot closer than I thought. Cons+Bloc would have more seats than Libs+NDP. Will be interesting to see if anything will get done.

/ugh, the 'nucks just lost a really lackluster game against bottom-dwelling Blues =(
posted by porpoise 23 January | 22:09
what's that about money per votes?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 22:09
and a "sovereignist area" means they want to separate?

it looks like Harper promised the Quebecois the moon.
posted by amberglow 23 January | 22:12
"sovereignist area" means they run as a seperate country but with Candian currency and federal transfer payments and Canadian military and diplomatic missions.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 22:19
Each party gets $1.75 per vote they receive. And, yes, the Bloc is a federal separist party! It's absurd, isn't it?
posted by richat 23 January | 22:20
ahhhh--that's cool.

i saw the woman talking now--Josie? someone--all week on tv in Montreal.
posted by amberglow 23 January | 22:20
separATist
posted by richat 23 January | 22:21
that is weird, richat. and not much money at all, considering there's not that many voting-age people in the pop.--30 million?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 22:21
Less than that even. ElectionsCanada reports 22.4 millions registered electors!

No, it's not that much really. I guess they must do some serious fundraising too.
posted by richat 23 January | 22:26
Crap.
posted by orthogonality 23 January | 22:28
amber spending in the last election in 2004:

Bloc Quebecois: $4,511,087.12
Conservatives: $17,284,256.91
Liberals: $16,640,947.00
NDP: $12,041,249.32

Combined less than your mayor spends on his own election.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 22:40
more here
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 22:43
thanks, arse and richat.

how come the people involved in the scandal (which was supposed to be such a big deal) are getting re-elected?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 22:54
and "riding" is a throwback horse thing?
posted by amberglow 23 January | 22:55
"how come the people involved in the scandal (which was supposed to be such a big deal) are getting re-elected?" patronage has a long history in Quebec and bringing money to your riding is still money even if it was shady. Think Tammany hall and the democratic machine.

Most palimentary terms like riding whip etc. go back to 1066.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 23:05
what do you guys think of this from kos? In some ways, this is an optimal outcome for centrist and left of center Canadians. Why? ...


ahh, arse--thanks. i figured it was like that--our own Senator "Pothole" D'Amato was a classic GOP example on Long Island--corrupt but really good at bringing money and projects in.
posted by amberglow 23 January | 23:09
Belinda's on.
posted by amberglow 23 January | 23:13
you guys need a few million of us Dems to move up there--you'd never have a Conservative anything.

(oh, and i saw some cute show in montreal--sketch comedy, and they ended it with a statement on non-endorsement while holding up signs saying to vote liberal and help! and stuff) : >
posted by amberglow 23 January | 23:15
Lot of truth there amber but it will be a balancing act for anyone involved. See what I said above.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 23:16
25 ridings yet to call. I'm going out for a walk.
posted by arse_hat 23 January | 23:36
Paul Martin coming up.
posted by orthogonality 23 January | 23:44
MARTIN STEPPING DOWN AS LIBERAL PARTY LEADER.
posted by orthogonality 23 January | 23:59
their translator sucks--too much valium or something.

was that a big surprise to people? doesn't he have to, for the good of the party?

and who's next in line? who's being groomed?
posted by amberglow 24 January | 00:06
Not sure who will run to lead the Liberals but one way or another Belinda Stronach will be involved and Michael Ignatieff put forward as a Trudeau like but level headed philosopher king. I imagine Ken Dryden will be mentioned but have little chance.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 00:31
Michael Ignatieff has an appeal. He has never been in politics but has long been political. He is a writer and commentator and intellectual and yet he is also a Harvard prof. Lefty brainy and yet grounded. Still can he convince the party to back someone new to parliament and the hustings?
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 00:37
um how'd that happen?
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 00:39
fixed : >

he's for Iraq and "coercive interrogation" tho, arse.
posted by amberglow 24 January | 01:38
He's an apologist for war criminals, a tool who uses his "intellectualism" to draw a veil over barbarity.
posted by orthogonality 24 January | 01:55
I disagree with his "coercive interrogation" position but all it really says is that the military should use things that the courts allow the police to do. I am more disturbed by his support for starwars II. And no I would NOT want him as a PM.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 02:00
Soldiers, who are trained to kill, don't make good cops, who are trained to uphold the law.
posted by orthogonality 24 January | 02:18
"Soldiers, who are trained to kill, don't make good cops" Agreed.

"good cops, who are trained to uphold the law" Sadly I can't agree. Sometime in the late 80's American cops started referring to non cops as civilians. Unless martial law has been declared cops ARE civilians. At that time many cops stopped being about upholding the law and became an oppositional occupational force.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 02:28
Good point, arse_hat.
posted by orthogonality 24 January | 02:36
A sad thing to think about.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 02:41
First term I've heard coined for this election, from an e-mail to the CBC: Harper Brides - Same sex couples planing a quick marriage to beat any repeal of their right to marry.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 02:50
i'm not surprised by that at all, arse--i'd make sure i was counted in too if i was Canadian. And you need couples for the court cases that are sure to happen if they do vote against it.
posted by amberglow 24 January | 09:08
arsehat: cops started referring to "civilians" in the late 60's. Clint Eastwood (as Dirty Harry Callahan) makes a dismissive reference to "civilians" in "Magnum Force" - "What are the civilians doing?"
posted by warbaby 24 January | 10:37
Oh, and paramilitary policing started in the 1920's when Gen. Smedley D. Butler militarized the Philadelphia police in a failed (to this day) effort to clean up corruption. The famous Col. Fairborne originated SWAT tactics in Shanghai in the 1930s. Police militarization and American comprador imperialism co-evolved begining with the Spanish-American War and the "police actions" in Cuba, Phillipines, Haiti and Central America.

The policy is laid out in the Marines' "Small Wars Manual."

One of the lessons of history is that things weren't always like this.
posted by warbaby 24 January | 10:42
And one final thought -- cops aren't "upholding" the law, they are enforcing it. There's a world of difference. Think about "selective enforcement" and "enforcement emphasis." It's all tactics and what little strategy exists is deeply corrupt.

Read On the Take for a sociological analysis of how crime networks really operate.
posted by warbaby 24 January | 10:49
warbaby on the subject of law and wealth I was just reading this last night.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 12:48
warbaby, I agree with what you say above but I still think that police military ideation was still relatively isolated until the 80's when more and more cops changed their self identification from neighbors who uphold the law to a military force who enforces it. It seems to me parallel with the rise of black gangs like the crips and the bloods which would be in keeping with Chambliss.
posted by arse_hat 24 January | 13:14
Booo hisss :^(

But, as I said in my blog - at least it's a minority government.
posted by deborah 24 January | 13:25
I was up late last night swearing at my TV. But this morning I developed a calmer view of it. The Liberals, NDP and BQ parties are all socially liberal and can outvote the Tories any time they want to. They'll keep the Tories on a short leash.
posted by Orange Swan 24 January | 13:48
The origins of military policing can be seen in the change in uniforms that took place around the turn of the last century: the "chandelier of gear", campaign hats (still seen on state troopers), Sam Browne belts, etc. A contemporaneous change was the federalization of the state militias by incorporating them into the Army Reserve system, while many states retained their militia as a police force.

The RCMP, for example, were always militarized. The US is somewhat unusual in how late the federal police formed and in the fact that they weren't incorporated into the Department of the Interior as is often the case in other countries (e.g British Home Office and the elaborate overlapping national jurisdictions in France, to name two examples.)

The British police in Shanghai pioneered SWAT tactics under the famous Col. Fairbarn (also the father of the Commandos.) In the US, much of this fell to the US Army, as during the various episodes of repressing labor organizing, bonus marchers, riots, etc. It wasn't until the 1960s that police established the riot troops that are now such a depressing feature of demonstrations. The SWAT teams were first formed for civil disorder and then found new needs for tactical use.

The origins of US federal policing were also entangled with private railroad police, who still exist as an obscure federal agency that exists solely to protect private property. But that's an evolutionary dead-end now.

The FBI didn't militarize until the formation of the Hostage Rescue Team (HRT) in the 80's. The HRT is a spectacularly brutal and kill-happy goon squad based partly on the British SAS counter-revolutionary warfare teams and other NATO counter-terrorism forces formed after the Munich Olympics massacre.

But to return to my original point, the militarization of US police can accurately be traced by the very sudden change in uniforms at the beginning of the XXth century.
posted by warbaby 25 January | 02:18
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