Bah, looking for new roommates is tiring.

That's not NYC, that's Queens.

Actually NYC has 5 boroughs- Manhattan, Queens, The Bronx, Brooklyn and Staten Island. So, it is NYC.

Bridge and Tunnel people. You don't live in the city.

I think you mean The City.

Bridge and Tunnel people. You don't live in the city.

; >

good luck...i'm sure you'll get someone.

No, no. "The City" is San Francisco. Conversely, 'Land is Oakland.

Thanks guys, you've all been mightly supportive.

As you might read on the t-shirts sold in Chinatown, Fuck You, You Fuckin' Fucks

Ok, just kidding, I love you all, and I got some nice e-mails last night from people interested in the room, so I feel better.

Someone in Wisconsin says Queens isn't in New York City, taking the hardened tone of a Manhattanite. News at 11.

Queens reprazent, the L to the I to the C-Illy-T-A-Y, muthas!!!

(Someone from Maryland takes on the tough swagger of a justly proud denizen of Queens after living there for a year. News at 11:15).

Someone from Maryland

I knew there was a reason I liked you.

Eideteker is gonna get me Amberglow, but not cause I care that he thinks that, but because I've actually heard an uptick of this slander, and it's always from these fucking mouth breathing midwesterners who move to Ny and then talk shit about how they live in the city when they don't have the balls to stay in their own hometown and make it cool. New York is gentrified by the rest of the country, for fucks sake.

That having been said, rawly here it is:

Much of Queens,most of Brooklyn and Manhattan are the city. Half of the Bronx is the city. Frankly with few exceptions, Manhattan is no longer the city, barring Chinatown, a few holdouts in the LES and way the hell uptown. The bulk of Manhattan is simply Babylon/Disney where the rich, ultra-rich and mega-rich go to defile a once proud, nasty and wonderful place.

So all that bridge and tunnel shit can take a flying fucking leap. I was born and raised in Manhattan, I've lived in Brooklyn and Queens for most of my adult life. I know where the fuck New York is and I assure you that it is not on this glittery, xanaxed out, trustfund bullshit island I'm on right now. It's Guiliani's fault by the way. Under Dinkins we had terrible crime and misery, but we had fucking FUN!

Staten Island is not New York, it's oddly cool, especially down by the ferry, it's actually kind of like a post-apocalyptic city somewhere in France (really, all curvy little steets and shit, but with no nice houses and no french people), but it is not New York.


Someday ask me about the difference between Mets and Yankees fans.

Huh. I am a Midwesterner who moved to New York (well, my parents moved back; it's where both their families are from). But I still say the Outer Boroughs (see? OUTER) are just suburbs; a step up from Jersey (where I hope never to have to live again).

Full disclosure: When I lived in Manhattan, it was in Washington Heights. And you had to drag me to get me to go to the Bronx or Brooklyn (both times was for a party and/or concert). Never went to Queens; never needed to. I'm sure it's lovely. But the true New York, as you said, no longer exists. And I miss it.

By definition (or by loopy latinate conjecture) Brooklyn and Queens are not suburban (below, beneath, beyond the city). Brooklyn was for a long time it's own city, vastly more populated and diverse than Manhattan. New York is the five boroughs technically and legally, if you can vote for the Mayor of New York, you live in New York City. Skyscrapers and tourists do not a city make.

Spiritually and geographically Brooklyn, Queens and the Bronx simply are more New York than Manhattan, the weirdos, the accents, the hunched shoulders and constant world weary ball busting and sense of humor that sort of stereotype New York in popluar culture all live there. The cultural diversity and the corner bars and the cab drivers and the unshaven shouty blue collar types are all from there, the natives (with some exceptions, myself included) fucking well live there. Manhattan is a long stay hotel. The true New York totally does exist, but by the very nature of the people who move to Manhattan and shiver at the thought of never going to Queens (which is an awesome, awesome, bugged out, ugly, fun, sad place, all fucking heart) drive it further and further away (well that and billionaire Bloomburg who cares nothing ((in a nice way)) for people who make less than 150 k a year). Now Eideteker, I am a ball buster through and through and I love a friendly argument, so please take all this in the spirit it is intended.

Hot nugget, Divine_Wino, you a mothafuckin' PRINCE!

Yankees fans talk about what Steinbrenner should do; Mets fans talk about what they team did last night.

Yankees fans is some bum-ass bitches. They can suck my fuckin' asshole!

Tell my 'hood they ain't from NYC. Say it to their faces. Scared to? That's right, because anyone who will kick your ass to let you know they're from NYC is...

from NYC.

...and yes parts of Queens are really Long Island, most of Shao-lin is really Jersey, parts of Brooklyn are nowhere else on earth. So while I will admit spiritually that Staten is basically the suburbs, as well as a slice of the Bronx, everywhere else is the city and always will be, even when my kind of people are living on floating garbage scows off the the coast of Sheepshead Bay and being bussed in to wipe up the pink cosmopolitan and tuna tartare vomit of the bottle blond sorority sister conquerors.

Damn it, tps, I just found out yesterday that we need to replace not one, but two roommates ASAP after a 'glorious' summer and fall cleverly disguised as a ground fucking central boarding house for Happy Irish Folk where for over a month nine people were here in our four person flat (not counting any number of their friends who functionally lived here from Thursday night 'til Monday morning.)

Swear if I wasn't just finally feeling settled, I'd pack my shit up and be on your doorstep, deposits in hand, in a minute.

*sniff*

Back to combing craigslist....

(Oh, and you have a chihuahua, too. Life is cruel sometimes. Cruel, I tell you.)

Wino is 100% right. Most of Manhattan and a lot of Brooklyn has basically become a theme park for honor students from Grosse Pointe drink overpriced cocktails and screw others of their ilk while trying to remake the city in their own image.

There's more of the New York of yore in Queens & the Bronx than on Ave. A these days.

/tri-stae born son of a Queens native and grandson of a Hell's Kitchen native. I came back to NYC to go back to where they came from, not hang around and listen to the Hampshire College class of '99 blabber about their kinetic sculptures over vegan sausage.

No most of Brooklyn is still good, I wasn't trying to imply that the middle class (of which I solidly am) didn't and don't have a place in New York. Brooklyn can be pretty high tone, but it's a decent, managable high tone. And immigration, including from the midwest, is the best. You just gotta bring your A game in terms of living up to what you are trying to get in on.

Agreed. and even the wealthy have a place in NYC. Donald Trump is slimy capitalistic bastard, but he is 100% Noo Yawk.

Man
Look how crazy I am... I gotta move to New Hampshire and chop some wood.

::hugs Divine_Wino::

And Frisbee_Girl, that better not have been a crack about my chihuahua! I will sic her on you and she will eat your FACE.

No, just kidding, she'd probably just try to lick your face off.

No, I meant that in a good way. I'm hoping to get a dog next year and after the last couple years here in the Mission, they've totally won me over. Big dogs are great, but I just couldn't justify a big dog here, it would be completely unfair.

There's chihuahua on my block that can bring traffic to a standstill. She's a little rockstar and very much knows it.

Yea, having a dog is nice- and my dog is a rockstar. I almost forget how cute she is until I go out with her and people run all over her.