MetaChat - Dad, why do you have an earring in your ass?

I believe that's a "guiche" piercing, not a "geish".

Erm. Why do I know this?

posted by loquacious 25 November | 21:46

would it jingle every tie he took a dump? when he had diarhea it woulda sounded like Christmas...

posted by jonmc 25 November | 21:48

"Erm. Why do I know this?"
You were drinking. It's in the past. Forget about it.

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 21:48

he got his taint pierced?

posted by amberglow 25 November | 21:58

At least he didn't go for the Prince Albert. "Well son ummm..."

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 22:03

I'm trying to imagine a plausible scenario in which a kid would have reason to see a piercing there, and I'm not coming up with one.

posted by mr_crash_davis 25 November | 22:21

My thought as well, mr_c_d.

posted by mischief 25 November | 22:23

It's father and son. Shower after a game? Sauna at the gym?

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 22:25

Lighting farts?

posted by loquacious 25 November | 22:33

I'm trying to imagine a plausible scenario in which a kid would have reason to see a piercing there, and I'm not coming up with one.

Maybe its a long, dangly earring?

Swimming naked? In a pool, maybe, with clear water?

*shrug*

Its rock and roll. Who the hell knows what these people do.

posted by anastasiav 25 November | 22:35

Its rock and roll.

??? Well, it's Depeche Mode, anyway.

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 22:38

bmarkey, you are my hero.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 22:43

"I believe that's a "guiche" piercing, not a "geish".

Erm. Why do I know this?"

Your own personal guiche?

posted by mr_crash_davis 25 November | 22:51

*locks jonmc in a small, speaker-lined room blaring Depeche Mode and Erasure*

posted by loquacious 25 November | 22:55

*locks loquacious in small, speaker-lined room blaring the Dictators and AC/DC*

I think I'll win

posted by jonmc 25 November | 22:57

*locks self in soundproof room as a precaution*

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 22:59

bmarkey, of the two, you know you'd prefer mine...

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:01

*already spent one week confined to a locked room, no intention of returning*

posted by mischief 25 November | 23:02

* dons soundproof earphones *

* finds skeleton keys *

* frees all prisoners *

Jon: big hair = rock and roll

posted by anastasiav 25 November | 23:02

big hair = Dolly Parton

posted by mischief 25 November | 23:03

Jon: big hair = rock and roll

The Ramones, The Who, Fats Domino, Funkadelic, Rose Tattoo, the Replacements et al, have small hair.

LOUD GUITARS and BALLS = rock and roll.

Depeche Mode & Erasure have neither.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:04

[snark]

Are you telling me that a man who pierces his Perineum doesn't have any balls?

[/snark]

posted by anastasiav 25 November | 23:07

yes. otherwise they'd be sheilding the holiest of holies.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:08

Guiche Piercing Photo

posted by anastasiav 25 November | 23:09

See, that's just begging for his wife to put a leash in that ring..

"Yeah, buddy, I'll grab another round and then we'll hit the strip club..[tug] AAAAUGH!!...no, maybe I should get home early..."

no good.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:13

On the other hand, DP isn't without its own goofy charm from time to time; I tip my hat to whichever of them wrote "I don't want to start any blasphemous rumors / but I think that God's got a sick sense of humor / and when I die I expect to find him laughing".

Also, jon, there is a lot of very good rock & roll that uses acoustic instrumentation. Also also, balls, in the physical sense, are not required either. Unless you're casting aspersions on PJ Harvey and Joan Jett, in which case we'll have to step outside.

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 23:13

bmarkey, you are my hero.

posted by anastasiav 25 November | 23:15

Also, jon, there is a lot of very good rock & roll that uses acoustic instrumentation. Also also, balls, in the physical sense, are not required either.

Acoustic guitars can still be loud and agressive, and Joan Jett, Janis Joplin, Big Mama Thornton, Bessie Smith, Kim Shattuck, Holly Beth Vincent, Debbie Harry ets's ovaries swing as powerfully as any testicles on the planet.

But picayune details are beside the point. Suffice it to say Depeche Mode are NOT rock and roll.

Sorry. It's the artsy-fartsy tendencies of outfits like them that have periodically threatened to kill rock, but it always comes back to quash them.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:19

≡ Click to see image ≡

Here I come to save the day!

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 23:21

Depeche Mode weren't artsy-fartsy.

posted by kenko 25 November | 23:21

Mr. Gorgenchuck:
Now that's just where you're wrong Bobby. Recent studies show that rock and roll is, in fact, dying.

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 23:22

Depeche Mode weren't artsy-fartsy.

Yeah. And Liberace died of emphysema. Every devout DM fan I've ever known was an art room chick.

But that's beside the point. The evil synth-pop of "Just can't Get Enough," is enough of a crime against rock and roll that when Lemmy is elected emporer they will be called to the guillotine.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:24

How 'bout that Midge Ure, huh? Helluva guy. Straddled genres like a... genre-straddling kinda guy. Yup.

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 23:30

That I'll give you. Ultravox could get arty and still rock righteously. And Midge's tenure in Thin Lizzy prolly had a lot to do with that.

Like I've always said getting artily ambitious and retaining loyalty to gutbucket rock and roll is a tough balancing act. Some succeed, some don't.

*cranks Pantera's "This Love"*

(sadly this whole coversation is a replay of the conversation that went on in high school hallways across America in the 80's between mulletheads and artroom people (I admit to having a foot in both camps). In the 90's we were ll listening to Nirvana and other grunge stuff. That was the beauty of it, it united us. We could've used that back in high school against our common cherrleader/popular kids enemy)

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:35

Well, I think we can all unite in our contempt for contemporary country, can't we?

(There aren't any boot-scooters here, are there?)

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 23:40

I've met Midge and he is somewhat arty farty. I never met Lemmy but he does not seem at all arty farty. Still, if I needed someone to have my back in a bar brawl I'd want Midge. even if he is a scots bastard.

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 23:43

"boot-scooters"???
I don't want to know.

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 23:44

I actually like Deana Carter, the Dixie Chicks, and I'll even admit to thinking Toby Keith's "I Love This Bar," is a great drinking song.

I follow my own muse, bmarkey my friend, what can I tell ya?

on preview: the amount of drugs running through Lemmy's system would rend him impervious to pain. Something to think about. I'd still prefer Mike Muir or Mike Ness in a bar brawl anyway.

posted by jonmc 25 November | 23:45

Any bar brawl.
Shawn Mcgowen.

posted by arse_hat 25 November | 23:53

Well, you're a city boy so we'll overlook it. :)
Besides, it's not like you dig Shania.

And in a bar fight, I want one of those heavily-armed hip-hop dudes getting my back. Why mess around?

posted by bmarkey 25 November | 23:53

And in a bar fight, I want one of those heavily-armed hip-hop dudes getting my back. Why mess around?

Good point. Ice Cube or Scarface could clear a room in no time and not even spill their Courvosier.

Well, you're a city boy so we'll overlook it. :)

Well, the outer boroughs of NYC (and I suspect a lot of other cities, god bless 'em) are filled with their own version of urban rednecks, but you'd have to be there to understand.

Besides, it's not like you dig Shania.

How did Steve Earle put it? "Shania Twain, the most overpaid lap dancer in Nashville.." Stop singin' and keep wrigglin', honey...

Any bar brawl.
Shawn Mcgowen.

being comatose isn't much help in combat... (disclaimer: I'm a BIG Pogues fan)

posted by jonmc 26 November | 00:00

*locks loquacious in small, speaker-lined room blaring the Dictators and AC/DC*

I think I'll win

Eh, I can tolerate them, but can I get some Black Sabbath or Judas Priest instead?

*cues up Catching Up With Depeche Mode*

*Stops Depeche Mode and cues up The Cure's Pornography, which jonmc really needs to sit down and listen to a few times if he's going to keep dissing them*

posted by loquacious 26 November | 00:02

And in a bar fight, I want one of those heavily-armed hip-hop dudes getting my back.

aw man bmarkey say it ain't so! you aint one of them feckin tools brings a gun to a fist fight? kneecappin's to good for ya'.

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 00:06

can I get some Black Sabbath or Judas Priest instead?

You get points for taste my friend (although I don't get why you don't embrace the unapologetic balls-out assault of AC/DC or the goofball humor and sonic frenzy of the Dics but whatever)

The Cure's Pornography, which jonmc really needs to sit down and listen to a few times if he's going to keep dissing them

Dude, I've had numerous friends, with otherwise impeccable taste who have loved them and told me to "just listen to them." I've tried too many times. They ain't for me. I'm coming from a different direction musically speaking, but it's a comlementary, not antagonistic one to yours.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 00:09

you aint one of them feckin tools brings a gun to a fist fight?

I'm a boozer, not a fighter. It gets in the way of the drinkin'. Time spent spitting out teeth is time that could be better spent tippling. Besides, in my scenario somebody else is carrying the weaponry .

posted by bmarkey 26 November | 00:13

Admit it mc, your idea of rock peaked with Kiss.

posted by drpynchon 26 November | 00:14

*buys bmarkey a pint of Bass"

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 00:15

*scoots boot to honky-tonk badonkadonk*

posted by quonsar 26 November | 00:16

*a pint of Bass for jmc too*

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 00:16

Admit it mc, your idea of rock peaked with Kiss.

Actually, it peaked with the Sonics but let's not nitpick ;>

*tosses malt liquor tallboys to everyone*

posted by jonmc 26 November | 00:17

also, if you like the Ramones but don't like Kiss, then you've missed the point of both groups.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 00:18

Kiss was the first band I ever paid to see. Love gun tour. $9 CND.

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 00:21

Less arguing, more drinking. Barkeep! Over here.

posted by bmarkey 26 November | 00:22

You know who was artsy-fartsy was the Mahavishnu Orchestra.

Rocked like hell, though.

posted by kenko 26 November | 00:22

What are we really saying jon? You go for chicks with big hair; I go for art room chicks. What is rock really about?

posted by drpynchon 26 November | 00:26

I shall elaborate on that: both Kiss and the Ramones were made up (primarily) of nice lower-middle-class jewish boys from Queens (Forest Hills for the Ramones, Rego Park for Kiss). They both took their primary inspiration from American junk culture: comics, cheesy TV, late nate moster movies, garage rock, the New York Dolls (they probably went to the same shows since they're the same age).

Kiss just happened to be more commercially succesful, but listen to stuff like "Strutter," "Rock & Roll All Nite," amd "Do You Love Me." 3 minute catchy rock and roll just like the Ramones, they even covered "Do You Remember Rock & Roll radio," on the Ramones' tribute album, appropriately enough since, unlike the neo-punkers on the rest of the disc, they actually could remember Murray the K, Upeat, Shindig & Ed Sullivan..

They just managed to make more ma=oney and screw more groupies, and Joey and the boys never bought into that whole success=selling out BS. They just had bad luck.

on preview: amen, kenko. John McLaughlin is one of the best guitarists of any genre I've ever heard. If you dig him you should check out my man Larry Coryell..

What is rock really about?

What's it all about?
Pussy & Money
I ain't tryin' to be cute
I ain't tryin' to be funny..;>

posted by jonmc 26 November | 00:29

I saw Gene Simmons interviewed once recently, and he said Kiss was never about the music. It was about making as much money as possible. Mr Simmons is brilliant as a marketer, and I think Kiss has licensed well over 2000 items. He packaged a product which sold like gangbusters, and now pedants are arguing about the music. P.T. Barnum would be proud.

posted by eekacat 26 November | 01:00

Y'know, it is things like the lyrics jonmc posted that causes "art room chicks"--in fact LOTS of women--to listen to things like Depeche Mode, et al. It's hard to get into songs which, though definitely rockin', have lyrics which basically ennumerate all the women they've banged.

That said, though I do listen to DM, I have a very strange CD collection, including some of the head-banging "I've screwed lots of chicks" stuff (but it has to be REALLY rockin', enough to overcome my innate prejudice toward bands of that ilk).

(on preview: eekacat, that is EXACTLY why Gene Simmons has spent his later years being as outrageous as possible.)

posted by mihail 26 November | 01:04

I saw Gene Simmons interviewed once recently, and he said Kiss was never about the music. It was about making as much money as possible.

to which I can only answer: so fucking what?

Gene realized that to acomplish his goals he had to crank out some great tunes and he got Paul, Ace, Peter and himself to write some. And he married a centerfold. As he put it, on Parent's Day at school, his kid's got everyone beat hands down.

So, in short eekacat, intentions don't equal results. Put Destoyer on the box and put your punker-than-thou speeches in your pocket.

it is things like the lyrics jonmc posted that causes "art room chicks"--in fact LOTS of women--to listen to things like Depeche Mode, et al

yes, because a certain type of woman prefers emascualted, sexless males.

mihail: the lyric I quoted is from the Dictators, not Kiss and if you listened to the entire song (mp3 link), you'd get that it's not a celebration of sexism merely a clear-eyed acceptance of how the world works, no matter how much we wish it wasn't so. So holster your rhetoric, sweetcheeks, although I realize you've been polishing it ever since you read Andrea Dworkin, but try to appreciate nuance..and good music.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 01:15

Gene Simmons is a douchebag. Always has been. He's a businessman, and he'd sell his granny to the gypsies if he thought he'd clear a profit. His band made a couple of decent singles, but they're nowhere near Ramones quality. I'm surprised at you, jon.

On preview: Wow. Uh, might be time to go nighty-night, cowboy. Ain't no need to start swinging dicks. If you're claiming that KISS and The Dictators are nuanced... I don't think even Handsome Dick would buy that. And I've never read any Dworkin, but I know that there's more to rock (and life) than pussy and money. Much more.

posted by bmarkey 26 November | 01:25

If you're claiming that KISS and The Dictators are nuanced...

More muanced than any Depeche Mode album you could find, just listen to Adny Shernoff's lyrics. Musically, that's another story but in that case subtlety is overrated, frankly.

Gene Simmons is a douchebag. Always has been. He's a businessman

Again, I say so fucking what. remember Sam Phillips' "..I could make a million dollars," quote about Elvis? Rock and Roll would not exist withoiut capitalism, despite Joe Strummers cadillac communist fantasies.

I know that there's more to rock (and life) than pussy and money.

Obviously. But the song is about what makes the world turn, not about what's in our souls. see what I mean about nuance?

posted by jonmc 26 November | 01:33

jonmc, perhaps you could then provide the entire lyrics so that you can make your point more clearly,

That said, I was merely commenting on your posted LYRICS, not you. What's with the "MiHail said it therefore (1) it is crap and (2) I must attack her" BS?

I realize right now you're drunk off your ass, but could we please call a truce?

posted by mihail 26 November | 01:34

(sorry, meant to delete that first part. and yes, jonmc, I have listened to your link.)

posted by mihail 26 November | 01:35

perhaps you could then provide the entire lyrics

You wake up in the morning
totally confused
can't get a date
but you're getting screwed

you're searching for a reason
a way to carry on
when everything is broken
and everything is wrong

So you tried to save the whales
You found a tree to kiss
You gave a crippled child
His dying wish

You're waiting for an answer
A message from above
You've always been a sucker
Another fool in love

What's it all about
Pussy and money
I ain't tryin to be cute
I ain't tryin to be funny
Everybody lies about
Pussy and money

It's always gonna be that way
It's always gonna be that way

You see a girl
You start talkin
She sees your car
She starts walkin

Sweet success
Just take it
If you're sincere
You can fake it

What's it all about
Pussy and money
I ain't tryin to be cute
I ain't tryin to be funny
Everybody cries about
Pussy and money

It's always gonna be that way
It's always gonna be that way

You wanna be the big dog
Down on the street
But if you spill a drop of blood
The shark's gotta eat

A million stars
out of reach
A billion grains of sand
on the beach

So you pray every night
When the sun goes down
Cause there are only two things that make the world go round

What's it all about
Pussy and money
I ain't tryin to be cute
I ain't tryin to be funny
Everybody lies about
Everybody cries about
Everybody shout it out!!
Pussy and money

It's always gonna be that way
It's always gonna be that way

"MiHail said it therefore (1) it is crap...I realize right now you're drunk off your ass, but could we please call a truce?

well, belive it or not, the main reason you bug me is not your politics (since there are MeFi buddies of mine who make you look like a republican banker), but your high and mighty attitude and worse, your predictabilty. I realize that you think of yourself as a firebrand, but truth be told, youre boring and predictable.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 01:39

I love pussy. I love money. I am a "businessman". I am not a douchebag. nuanced.

:)

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 01:40

I love pussy. I love money. I am a "businessman". I am not a douchebag. nuanced.

:)

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 01:41

*applause*

posted by jonmc 26 November | 01:42

Um not sure why the double. not nuanced.

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 01:44

So there's really no difference between Mr. Simmons and, say, Brittany Spears, then. They're both just in it for the money. Neither one really gives a shit about the music, other than that it sells. Their methods are slightly different, but thier ultimate goals are identical.

There's no shame in making a living - even a really, really good living - from your art. What's a shame is when it's more about commerce than expression.

On preview: it's also possible to be a businessman and not be a douchebag. arse_hat proves this.

posted by bmarkey 26 November | 01:44

If I'm boring and predictable, jonmc, tell me the following:

1. What is my age?
2. How do I "typically" dress?
3. What is my favorite hobby?
4. If I were to build a house, what would it look like?

*sigh* so much for a truce.

posted by mihail 26 November | 01:49

So there's really no difference between Mr. Simmons and, say, Brittany Spears, then.

Well, the results are the difference, obviously. Kiss still fills stadiums thirty years down the line. Get back to me on Britney on that score. And why? because despite the crass commercialism (or perhaps because of it) the best Kiss songs are expressions of who they are, just like the Dictators.

And Gene has ethics, he's just less dewy-eyed about the world than a lot of idealists and I don't blame him. His mother survived the holocaust by being a hairdresser to the concentration camp commandant. Then the family fled to Israel where gene was born then to NYC where he hooked up with fellow overweight outcast Stanley eisen (aka Paul Stanley). And they formed a band and made shitloads of cash and screwed tons of beautiful women. The rock and roll dream, or at least part of it.

1. What is my age?

late 20's-early 30's

2. How do I "typically" dress?

lots of black, granny glasses or possibly overpriced "vintage clothes."

3. What is my favorite hobby?

Busting guys like me's balls.

4. If I were to build a house, what would it look like?

The Batcave. How the hell should I know?

I'm willing to bet you have me figured wrong in a lot of ways, too. But so what? I'm going on what I read, just like you.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 01:52

How the hell should I know?

You should know because I'm so easily pigeonholed by my posts.

1. 39
2. Right now I am going through a pink phase--yes, very trendy--but I've never worn black much at all. (you are right about the glasses, but they're not grannies--they're bland, rimless and should've been replaced about 2 years ago.)
3. I do consider myself a feminist, if that's what you mean by "busting balls"; however, I don't consider myself a vintage clothes-wearing "why can't we all get along" type. However, two of my many hobbies are (1) practicing at the firing range (haven't been able to do this lately--I usually do this with my brother the cop; don't have a gun of my own yet--but it helps me with hand steadiness since I'm on a medication that makes my hands shake) and (2) cross stitch (same kind of idea, though I've been cross stitching a lot longer than my hands have been shaking).
4. I am, at heart, a crazy survivalist. I would build my fortress of isolation out of straw bales.

#4, unfortunately, is entirely impossible right now, though I have plans in motion that should get me there in a few years.

And yes, I have made some assumtions about you, the main one being that you consider yourself the resident smart-ass and balloon-popper, and are therefore cool.

posted by mihail 26 November | 02:13

Dude, I've had numerous friends, with otherwise impeccable taste who have loved them and told me to "just listen to them." I've tried too many times.

Eh, I'm not saying you need to listen to their entire catalog, just one specific album: Pornography.

Released in 1982, it is decidely not the The Cure you're probably used to - much more guitar and drum-driven noise and experimental post-punk than anything else. It's raw, unhinged and soaring - somehow at once evoking apocalyptic soundscapes and incredible harshness and unapologetic bleakness while flirting with nuanced melody.

I certainly won't argue that it'll turn you into a fan of everything else they've done - frankly it's pretty much the only album of theirs that I own. And one thing we can probably agree on is that their happy pop and faux-moody NewRo stuff is pretty much utter crap.

But this album, this particular album, is important - and belongs in any serious music collector's collection.

This particular album is at least as important as anything the Pixies or Sonic Youth ever put out - and if anything this single album paved the way and provided inspiration for these two bands and other "no wave" post-punk bands like them, years and even a whole decade or so before it ever happened quite like that ever again.

I listen to a *lot* of music - admittedly I've specialized in my favorite pieces and veins of weirdness that people usually just scratch their heads at when I try to foist it on them. Yeah, I'm guilty of loving very difficult and intense music that few would even care to call music at all.

But I've listened to lots and lots of mainstream music, historical, retro, modern and otherwise. You know I have, we've had good talks about it. I wouldn't be arguing that you need to listen to this one, single and particular album if I didn't think you wouldn't actually like it. It's not The Cure as you think you've known it. Disregard the rest. Listen to this album. Actually sit down and listen to it, ignoring the fact that it's Robert Smith and The Cure.

Of all the more "mainstream" artists, one of my biggest fantasy-proxy-regrets is that The Cure never explored the avenues avaiable from album further. It's as though the Pixies or even maybe Nirvana made one good, truly deep and explorative album and then collapsed into a fit of sacchrine pop hell, never to return to the one true, good thing they had going. A tragedy, frankly.

If you can get a hold of it, get the remastered version, otherwise the old version will be fine, but a little flat by modern production standards.

Amazon link w/ reviews.

Everything2.com review.

posted by loquacious 26 November | 02:18

you consider yourself the resident smart-ass and balloon-popper, and are therefore cool.

Smartass, maybe. But not for it's own sake. Baloon popper, yeah, but (and you say that you've been reading MeFi for years so I think you'll agree with me on this) there's a lot of balloons on MeFi that need popping, if for now other reason than to bring their bearers down to earth.

Cool? I could care less about cool. As Zaphod Beeblebrox said "I've had it up to here with cool. I'm so cool you could store meat in me for a month."

I'm a 34 year old man stuck in a low-paying service industry job. I've defended Creed and Twisted Sister for god sake. If I gave a shit about cool, that would've blown it. I just see a lot of people online who like to pretend that their somehow different from the great swarm of humanity. I used to believe I was, too. Then I started talking to people and really listening to them and realized that it's not that simple, so that shit bugs me something fierce. That's where I'm coming from.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 02:22

4. If I were to build a house, what would it look like?

The Batcave. How the hell should I know?

Dude. Mushroom House

And yes, I have made some assumtions about you, the main one being that you consider yourself the resident smart-ass and balloon-popper, and are therefore cool.

Nope. See, when I first got on MeFi I got all up in jonmc's grill. I hated him - or at least I thought I did. I think I associated him with another user called "rushmc", who really got under my skin. I figured jon was some kind of gun-totin', pickup drivin', chaw-spittin' good ol' boy from the South with about as much sense as a sack of potatoes.

Then I started to get to know him, and realized we probably had a lot more in common than we had differences - that we were both asocial nerds obsessed with music - just obsessed with different things and had different modes. But if the textures and accessories were different, the core modes and logic-circuits were quite similar.

And then I realized he was from the Bronx or Brooklyn or some shit and it just started to make all kinds of sense.

And then we talked literature a few times, and I've got nothing but respect for his tastes, and breadth and depth. The man is incredibly well read - and this is coming from someone that has consumed nearly entire libraries of books. I read at least one book a week, sometimes 3 or 4, or even more.

Jon's cool because he's anti-cool, and not by choice, and he's hard core about it. Deep down Jon's just a big lanky nerd, a nice pasty NYC white, yet flannel-wearing and somewhat hickish for a Northerner, especially for a New Yorker. He could sport a mullet unironically, yet still go to a pure NYC rock dive bar and not get his ass kicked.

And he's cool because he gives as good as he gets, and vice versa - and believe it or not, I've seen him admit it when he was wrong.

That's what make's jonmc cool. The snark and smart-ass is just a bonus.

posted by loquacious 26 November | 02:30

Mihail, I have never met jonmc but I love him as one loves a brother. I may not have chosen him but I accept him totally. That said, “the main one being that you consider yourself the resident smart-ass and balloon-popper, and are therefore cool.” made me snort beer out my nose.

*golf clap*

Loquacious, “This particular album is at least as important as anything the Pixies or Sonic Youth ever put out”. It is at least as important and three times as good as anything the Pixies, Sonic ach choke Youth, or the Pixies ever did.

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 02:36

“I've defended Creed and Twisted Sister for god sake” jonmc, if I was gay and you was gay I’d be a kissin u all over.

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 02:38

that we were both asocial nerds obsessed with music

I'm actually hypersocial, but that's mainly out of nervous energy.

somewhat hickish for a Northerner, especially for a New Yorker. He could sport a mullet unironically, yet still go to a pure NYC rock dive bar and not get his ass kicked.

this is interesting. what non-northeaterners don't understand is that the tri-state area surrounding NYC is hickish (Bridgeport, CT born of Queens-native father) in a very unique way. We're close enough to the big apple to hear about and feel everything that's happening but far enough away that being a part of it is impractical unless you have money and/or indulgent parents, yet we're not far enough away to make making our own scen really worthwile, so we just create our own undergroud network. But it breeds a weird kind of resentment. But living in the city now, especially my fathers home borough, I feel like I'm back in my ancestral homeland. And my ability to go anywhere andmanage to not get my ass kicked is my one true vanity, that I can find my niche anywhere.

And FWIW, loquacious, i never thought of you as an enemy merely a wothy adversary/bulshitting partner.

and my main thing with the Cure is still Smith's vocals and the overly-echoey production. It kills it for me.

on preview: arse_hat, see the Sister live. Dee Snider is a master frontman. He could have any crowd eating out of his hand in 10 minutes, I shit you not.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 02:41

"Dee Snider is a master frontman. He could have any crowd eating out of his hand in 10 minutes" He kicked ass in front of congress. Dee can play ANY crowd.

posted by arse_hat 26 November | 02:46

I saw the Sister open for Iron Maiden in 1985. He had the Coliseum enraptured. I never understood why they were lumped in with the LA hair bands, they were too ugly and too punk-inspired.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 02:50

It is at least as important and three times as good as anything the Pixies, Sonic ach choke Youth, or the Pixies ever did.

I argee with that, arse_hat, but people tend to get a little irrationally testy when you try to objectively deconstruct either of those guitar-slappin' juggernauts, so I approach with caution.

I would put Pornography in my personal top ten list of favorite albums of all time. Nirvana is nowhere in there, neither are the Pixies or Sonic Youth. Though, your mileage may vary, as other albums in my "top ten of all time" list would probably also include: Pop Will Eat Itself's Cure for Sanity, Nurse With Wound's Who Can I Turn To Stereo?, The Orb's Pomme Fritz, Tones on Tail's Night Music and Coil's The Snow EP, among others.

posted by loquacious 26 November | 02:52

I went through the whole alt.rock thing like just about everybody else of my demographic, but the stuff that grabbed me was different. The Replacements, Husker Du, Jason & the Scorchers, REM, and others. I guess it depends on which direction you came in from.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 02:56

REM!? *whistles* One of these things is not like the others... ;)

posted by loquacious 26 November | 03:18

heh. I always used to say that Metallica & REM had a lot in common in that they spent the first decade of their careers being a nationwide secret society and then became huge international phenomenons and it bewildered them both. Metallica manged to get more sex and drugs though, methinks. But they both peaked artistically just about the same time they broke big.

posted by jonmc 26 November | 03:38

Small tangent: I almost literally ran into Peter Buck in a club a couple of weeks ago. I was on my way to the men's room; I'm not sure where he was headed. He had a tight smile on his face and stepped out of my way.

Contrast that near-collision with the one I had with Mark Arm in the same club, as I headed for the same men's room, a couple of years ago: he did not acknowldge my presence in the least and made as if to run me over.

Draw your own conclusions, as I have no idea where I'm going with this.

posted by bmarkey 26 November | 03:48

And just my second beer drinking am I.

posted by bmarkey 26 November | 03:50

I can't believe I missed this thread! I just wanna say, I love it, and the breeze below my balls makes me want to shit all over this thread.

Celebrate random acts of vulgarity!

"Liking" the Cure used to get me laid, but only by immature chicks (who at the time were far more mature than me). Now I won't compromise my integrity and taste, and my dick, unfortunately, stays pretty dry. But I don't have a headache!

Hey, whaddayou talkin' about? I'm fuckin' sensitive!

And sophisticated, too.

SO FUCK-ING SO-PHIS-TI-CATED!!!

I once stepped to jonmc back in the day, it was like this:

JMC: Don't you fuckin' tell me what to do!

HJ(B): What? Don't you fuckin' tell me what to tell you!

JMC: Yeah, whatever.

HJ(B): Whatever, yourself.

Am I still drunk?

posted by Hugh Janus 26 November | 10:09

Yes, you are. And dammit, you've dragged me into it, too.

My "boss" is a big drunk asshole.

posted by Groo the Wanderer 26 November | 10:16

I'm just tired. Leave me alone.

Wanna go celebrate my user number?

posted by Hugh Janus 26 November | 10:17

FUCKIN' AAAAAAAAAAAAAY! GROO LOVES THE SUBURBS!

posted by Groo the Wanderer 26 November | 10:22

1. What is my age?
2. How do I "typically" dress?
3. What is my favorite hobby?
4. If I were to build a house, what would it look like?

1. badger
2. badger
3. mushroom
4. snaaaaaaaaake.

posted by quonsar 26 November | 10:29

≡ Click to see image ≡

posted by Hugh Janus 26 November | 10:41

quonsar wins via global thermonuclear war.

posted by loquacious 26 November | 12:32

Your favorite band sucks.

There. Are we finished now?

posted by matildaben 26 November | 12:55

Nooooo! I just read the thread! Don't let it stop now!

(I would be shit in this sort of argument. There are very few bands I actively dislike. Hell, I've found redeeming qualities in a couple of Britney songs)

posted by gaspode 26 November | 13:23

This is all rather bloggy, so please excuse the length of the post; if you don't give a crap about some of this it is utterly skippable. Also I think this thread is dead or dying, so perhaps I can blab without too much resultant flame. Here goes:

I think I'll go back lurking, at least where jonmc is concerned, and try to see what others see. And take everything he says with a major grain of salt. For two reasons: best compliment I ever got was from someone who told me I was "cool" (or whatever the hell it was) because I just was; I didn't bother trying. jonmc seems (from what others are saying) the same sort.

---here is where the boring bloggy part starts---

One factoid perhaps you should know is that I lost my coolness when I married one of the most emotionally abusive assholes around, who turned me (via abusive language and behavior) from a loud-mouthed, political, assertive person into an overweight, miserable version of Donna Reed. He was encouraged in his behavior by his mother, to whom he was overly attached; she was at least as if not more abusive--in that "I'm saying something nice but really sticking a giant knife in your back" way some women have--than my spouse. In short, what he claimed he was attracted to in the first place (that I was "different") he then proceeded to attempt to crush the differentness out of me--and nearly succeeded. I am divorced (I can't say "happily" yet, because I still have a lot of issues to work through), and am in the process of finding the MiHail he almost killed. Hence my seemingly uneven posts, my overly emotional response to criticism, my messed-up-ness in general. Yes, sometimes my responses on things are "predictable," but sometimes they're not.

---end of boring bloggy part (I think)---

I still stick to my assertion that a lot of rock-n-roll, regardless of whether it is monetarily successful or not, regardless of "just being the way things are," (a response which I happen to think is a cop-out) has a negative message about women and that is why I don't like that type of crap.

The second, and real reason, though, is because I happen to have a number of Husker Du (albums, even), plus some Scorchers (a bad tape someone made me), and definitely Replacements. Obligatory REM. And I have always hated the Cure. I just want to tell the guy "cheer the hell up, wouldja?" That's really what did it.

/lurk

posted by mihail 26 November | 20:04

Oh yeah, and I happen to think that Dee Snider is one of the smarter rockers out there.

I really miss Frank Zappa.

posted by mihail 26 November | 20:08

Everyone knows you can't be a hick from NYC. All hicks originate from Hicksville, LI.

posted by Carbolic 27 November | 03:34

Robert Smith needs to cheer up? The man who gave us "Love Cats" and "Friday I'm in Love"!? Robert Smith is too damn perky. If that guy got any more chirpy he'd spontaneously ignite. It'd be like some kind of hairspray-fuel and air barometric bomb.

posted by loquacious 27 November | 04:47

What loquacious said. Smith has been entirely too perky on recent albums -- yes, even on Bloodflowers.

Though my personal favorite Cure album is Faith, followed closely by a tie between Disintegration and Pornography.

posted by chimaera 27 November | 23:14

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