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19 October 2005

AskMeCha Looking for other peoples experiences and thoughts on undergraduate schools for non-traditional students. [More:]

At the end of this year, I intend to transfer from a community college to a four year university. I hope to design a degree program around my experience in online marketing and web programming. The program I have already applied to is at UMass Amherst called University Without Walls (UWW). The key element that attracted me to this particular program is the college credit given for life experience.

What other programs would you suggest I consider?
You'd have to move of course, but based on my own experiences I can't recommend The Evergreen State College in Olympia, WA highly enough. If, after you've checked out the school's site, you have any specific questions, I'd be happy to answer. Use the e-mail in my profile.
posted by safetyfork 19 October | 14:08
Reed College.
posted by AlexReynolds 19 October | 14:11
Ah, Reed. Our arch-rivals to the south.
The joke used to be something like...
Reed: Intellectuals who think they're stoners.
Evergreen: Stoners who think they're intellectuals.

It's a good school, too. Kmellis should pop in to talk about his alma mater (not yet mentioned).
posted by safetyfork 19 October | 14:35
I went to Hampshire, which has a lot in common with the other programs mentioned, although I'm not sure what the credit for real life situation is there these days. In any case, I'd choose UMass 'cause it's cheaper and you can still take classes anywhere else in the Valley. I would, too, most classes at UMass are not as good as the equivalents at the other 4 colleges. (I took several classes at all of them.)
posted by omiewise 19 October | 14:39
If you're applying to programs in the Pioneer Valley, Smith College has a program called the Ada Comstock Scholars . I don't know if they give college credit for life experience, but I believe they allow credit transfers from other colleges. The only forseeable drawbacks are that you have to be a woman, and that they don't have a degree in marketing or e-commerce. You would have to major in something more strictly academic, like economics or comp sci.
All that aside, it's a great school. I went there as a (traditional) undergrad, and some of the most interesting people I met were Adas. And Northampton is a great town in a beautiful region.
posted by lycaste 19 October | 14:49
Hmmm--why a specifically non-trad program? At any state college or university these days you will find plenty of non-traditional students.
posted by LarryC 19 October | 15:25
Hmmm--why a specifically non-trad program?


I'm a 32 year old man with more than a decade of experience in my field(s). To the best of my knowledge, there are very few traditional academic programs for someone with my expertise and experience. The best I can do with web technology and online marketing is a concentration, minor, professional certification or certificates through technical schools. None of those options appeal for a couple of reasons. First, and foremost, the programs I've seen will not challenge me academically. Additionally, I want a BA or a BS, not some lesser degree.

In addition, my interest is in multiple disciplines: Computer Science and Marketing. However, it is not useful to me to do a straight CS or Marketing degree. While I would benefit intellectually, I have no intention of going back to work in these areas. I want an undergraduate degree so that I may continue my education in graduate school, most likely in entirely different disciplines. To facilitate such a goal, I'd like to get my undergraduate work out of the way as quickly as humanly possible.

At any state college or university these days you will find plenty of non-traditional students.


At this moment in time I am a non-traditional aged student at a community college. The lowest grade I've received thus far is a 99. It's not challenging in the least, namely because this school, and many other traditional schools, are preparing undergrads for their first professional job. At this point, I'm changing careers and have very different needs than a traditional aged student. My education is an exclamation point on the end of a non-traditional career. If I attend UWW, I'll be able to finish my undergrad work in a total of two years, with a minor in the field I'd like to work in as a graduate student.

Thank you for your suggestions thus far. In case it is not implicit in my question, I'm very willing to move to be in the right program. The reason I had not chosen Hampshire, Reed or Evergreen in my initial round is that they don't appear to have accelerated programs for professionals with significant experience or "life credits" as some programs call them. I'll look at them again.
posted by sequential 19 October | 16:25
I'd say come down here and check out Warren Wilson if you're looking for untraditional undergrad, but on reading your longer explanation, maybe not so much. I think you'll probably do better in a big state school with more options.
posted by mygothlaundry 19 October | 17:38
*reconsiders going to college*
posted by ethylene 19 October | 18:50
OK, good reasons, and I hope I didn't come off as snarky or anything. I was curious because A) I had a similar path through college (including being bored at a community college), earning my BA when I was 29, and B) I am a professor at a state school now with a lot of non-traditional students in my classes.

That said, it is not uncommon for colleges like mine to offer life experience credits, though we don't advertise it. At my school you would have to put together a portfolio of work you have done or something like that and can get credits. Also there are CLEP exams--one-shot standardized tests you can take to prove competence in a subject and get the credit that way. You can also design your own major (on my campus we call it a General Studies degree) if you can find the faculty who will agree to be your committee. If there is a specific topic you want to learn more about that is not in the college catalog, you can ask a professor to sponsor an independent study. You can also get credits for internships, working in your field, keeping a log of some sort, reporting regularly to the sponsoring faculty person, and usually writing some kind of paper or project at the end.

A very different option is to transfer from the community college to a really hard and prestigious school where you will be challenged. I transferred from a CC to the University of Chicago, and because I was old enough to be financially independent, and yet had no money, they gave me a full scholarship. It is a long shot, but it happens.
posted by LarryC 19 October | 21:33
Reed is more traditional than most people think. And it's rigorous as hell. When I was there, there were three or four students over the age of 25, not counting students who were returning after a few years' absence. Those older students' experiences varied from positive to very, very negative. I wouldn't recommend it to a nontraditional student.

I can't even IMAGINE being there today, my old ass surrounded by 1200 socially retarded 19 year olds.
posted by freshwater_pr0n 20 October | 00:40
My mom is currently enrolled at Antioch and is receiving "life credit" or whatever you call it. She says there's a nice mix of traditional and non-trad students, though I think the number of displines they give degrees in is limited.
posted by cali 20 October | 05:46
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