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19 March 2009

I think maybe I should be pissed off? Sorry, this is going to get long. [More:] So remember last holiday season when I thought it might be nice to start a group on Etsy for Metafilter/Metachat crafters? And then there was a minor problem with tagging items because some other group was already using Metsy as their nickname. And then Etsy changed some staff and management people around, and there was a massive mix-up with team rosters, and I spent two weeks sending them emails full of carefully correlated and researched member lists in order to fix things. And then I moved halfway across the country, had no internet for two months, and basically let Metsy sit dormant (not that we were an especially active group, but I still feel guilty).

I got this email yesterday:

Hi [my name spelled wrong],

I just wanted you to know I have changed the name of the Metsy Team to avoid further confusion. Please have a look at your Team page and let me know if there is anything awry.

Sorry that we had the confusion - we should have realized the duplicate names when we created the Metsy team.
Again, I am sorry that Sara or I did not catch this earlier and change it. Please let me know if there is anything else I can do!

Danielle


I can't decide if I should let this slide or get royally pissed (or if I have the time to get pissed) - they didn't ask permission to change the team name, or what I or other members might like to have it changed to. And I totally don't buy the line about "did not catch this earlier" since they emailed me during the roster mess asking for clarification between the two teams.

And I kinda feel like I don't have the right to complain because I let the team maintenance stuff slide while I was moving and starting work and everything, but still - I don't even know what to say or do or think. or how to react. Argh.
Go with the logical side of your brain. You don't have time to get royally pissed. It's the name of a dormant group for community members on a crafts website. The governance of the site is in the end entirely up to the owners--they could have just shut it down.

The part about not asking for what to change it to is annoying though. Maybe you should email them and be like "I would have appreciated a heads-up that the name needs to be changed. We would have come up with an non-conflicting name that we preferred. Can this be done now?"
posted by Firas 19 March | 21:49
Maybe send them a polite-yet-confused note? Along the lines of "I'm confused. A few months ago [Etsy person's name] and I spent a lot of time sorting through the Metsy team emails so that our group could retain the name. I don't understand why it needs to be changed now?" Maybe even forward some of the emails?

What they're doing sucks, but it may be a mix-up, and even if it's not a mix-up, treating it as if it's just a mix-up might be the best way to get it unmixed.
posted by occhiblu 19 March | 21:50
On second thought, I think it's okay to email the CEO or contact them otherwise about your aggravation (doesn't etsy have virtual Town Halls? they used to back in the mists of time). The tone to take though isn't OH MY GOD HOW COULD YOU, but more like "I can accept this change, but the process is needlessly antagonizing. I just want you to know so you can handle this better in the future."
posted by Firas 19 March | 21:51
Yeah, it's definitely not a mix-up. When the roster thing happened (basically they started dumping everyone from the Mixed Media group into the Metafilter group, probably because Mixed Media is very large and active and refers to themselves as Metsy everywhere online), I very specifically stated in the emails that these are the people in the group named Metsy, and these are the people in the group that calls itself Metsy, and then they replied with "This email is confusing to me. Please just let me know if YOUR Team is listed correctly." So I was all, fine, just fix the people in my group and let the Mixed Media people sort theirs out. This is the same person who sent the "we changed your name" email later.

But I guess someone from the Mixed Media group raised a bigger stink than me and got someone to really do something about it. I'll definitely contact the CEO though - I feel a bit like I've been steamrolled by the older, more established popular clique, y'know?
posted by casarkos 19 March | 22:38
"I'll definitely contact the CEO though" that's good. CEO's hate it when they have to deal with real world issues. But take my advice with a grain of salt as I like to be a thorn in the side of corporatism.
posted by arse_hat 19 March | 22:58
Etsy is just... gah. Seriously, I don't know what your experience has been with Etsy generally, but I personally have come to believe they totally suck. Uncommunicative/hostile/incompetent/nonexistent support, feature-lame site, form-over-function navigation and search tools, US-centric setup (no accented character support at ALL; people who enter their location as "Montréal won't come up in location-based searches unless the buyer searches "Montral"?!)Random and unexplained store closings for mysterious terms-of-use violations that are never explained...

I think Etsy has gotten a free ride for a long time because they're seem as "one of us" in the alt.crafting world, but they ain't. Etsy is an Internet startup like any other -- a profit-making venture, one that happens to be run really, really poorly, and has had ample time and revenue to improve.

I listed my stuff on Dawanda as well, and not only did the site have a tonne of "like, duh" features that Etsy users have been demanding since that site's launch, but the support and even the *customers* were wonderful. The site is cleaner, faster and not clogged with stupid Flash geegaws that look purdy but don't work well, and you can list in multiple languages. AND it's cheaper to sell there.

All this to say that I completely understand your frustration, as do I think a high proportion of Etsy users... bleh, I doubt I'll list there again.
posted by loiseau 19 March | 23:59
Yeah, it's definitely not a mix-up.

Yes, but sometimes sending "I'm confused, can you explain why you did this?" emails followed by "Hmmmm, I still don't get it, based on these previous conversations" emails occasionally followed by "Wait, then why did you ask me to do all that work before? I'm still confused" emails can sufficiently annoy someone enough to fix the thing, without really challenging their authority to such an extent that they dig in their heels.

It's obviously just one tactic of many that might work, but it's sometimes nice as a first-line defense, because it's not overtly feather-ruffling.
posted by occhiblu 20 March | 00:01
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