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14 November 2008

I am dithering, and I need outside help and perspective. [More:]

I can't decide, can't decide, can't decide. When my folks were in town this summer, my mom asked me if I'd ever participate in The Great Chicken Experiment again. I had to think about it, but decided that in my current place, I probably wouldn't. I'd wait until I had more room and could keep them confined, instead of turning over my backyard to a bunch of poop machines. Lovable poop machines, to be sure, but machines de poop nonetheless.

But I think my resolve has dissolved over the past week. Mostly, I feel really bad for poor Chickpea. I mean, maybe she's thrilled at not having to fight over the tasty tidbits anymore. She doesn't get chased away from the treats. She can eat whatever she wants. All those are good things.

But she's in the yard all alone. She doesn't have anyone to talk to. And yes, they did talk to each other. Sure, it was probably a non-language, but they at least shared those sounds with one another. And there's the whole safety-in-numbers thing, too. Chickens are flock animals. They're flock animals because they're prey animals. I can't help but think that a solitary chicken must have quite a bit of anxiety, knowing that she's the only target for marauders. Especially at night, when the raccoons are roaming about.

So I think I'm going to get her a friend. Not sure *I* want another chicken friend, but I'm trying to do the kind thing here. (While another option is "re-homing" her, that doesn't seem very kind at all to me. Dropping her into an unfamiliar place with an unfamiliar flock -- no, I couldn't do that. She's too docile, and she'd fall to the bottom of the pecking order immediately.)

My dilemma now is do I get her one friend, or two? *She'd* be fine with one, I'm sure. But she's getting old, for a chicken, and I don't know how much longer she'd be around. If I got one, and if she went to the big roosting place in the sky, then I'd be left in the same situation I'm in now -- with a lonely chicken.

So I was thinking that if I got two, and Chickpea left us, then I'd at least have the option of finding a good home for a bonded pair, if I chose to get out of the chicken business. At least they'd have each other, you know?

So that's my thinking. I can get a couple this weekend from a local foundation whose mission I really like. I know they've been well cared for, and I know they're not being raised in cramped conditions for meat. (Some of the SF Craigslist ads gave me that impression. I was tempted to liberate them all, but I also didn't want to give those people my money. It's hard being a bleeding heart, I tell you.)

Any advice, encouragement, discouragement, or revelations of things I might be missing?
I say get two friends. It's like cats--three aren't really any harder to care for than two, and triangles are stable, which is why they build trestles out of 'em.
posted by box 14 November | 16:32
box, I like the way you think!
posted by crush-onastick 14 November | 16:39
Definitely get two.
posted by BoringPostcards 14 November | 16:47
I think you really like having the chickens, and give them great care and attention. Your home would be a good one for two new chickens.

Would they come together, or separately? Would Chickpea have any problems re-establishing her own place in the pecking order, or does she automatically get seniority? (Heniority?) Those things might influence the decision.

But I think having a little flock of 3 would be nice, and if you did need to stop having chickens at some point, yes I think it would be easier re-home two than one - easier on the chickens, but also on the people.
posted by Miko 14 November | 16:58
Three chickens, definitely. Two chickens are a pair but three is a flock and if you're going to have chickens, you should have a flock.

There is something so cozy and warm about chickens as pets. I say that, not having any chickens in my yard and therefore never having to clean up after them, but chickens, yeah, that sounds really nice. The only thing that would be even nicer is a cow.

I vote yes, get two so that you have a nice little flock.
posted by Kangaroo 14 November | 17:07
Would Chickpea have any problems re-establishing her own place in the pecking order, or does she automatically get seniority?

This is what I don't know. At some point in the last couple years, Porkchop decided to make a power play. It didn't start out like that. They actually shared food for the first part of their lives. I don't know what changed, but Porkchop definitely decided to take control.

The ones I'd bring home would be young. They're only a couple months old. It could go either way, I suppose. Because they're younger, and because they'd suddenly be on unfamiliar turf, it could be that Chickpea would become dominant, or at least would not become a doormat. Or it could turn into a two-against-one deal, with the two new ones, who will presumably know each other, taking over the yard.

Even if that's the case, I don't know that it would be too traumatic. Chickpea's used to getting chased and scolded for wanting the good stuff. So maybe it wouldn't require an adjustment for her. I'm not really worried about psychological damage -- because I think she's learned how to deal with that -- but with physical damage. There's a very literal etymology for the term "henpecked." I don't want Chickpea to experience that.

But there's also the fact that she's full-grown, and is actually pretty damn big. I don't know that a pullet, even an ornery one, could really do much damage to her. I know she could hold her own physically if she had to, I just don't know if she has the personality to.

All this is made harder by the fact that it involves psychology. Of chickens.
posted by mudpuppie 14 November | 17:10
Have you had any luck with a county extension agent? Maybe they know about these things...
posted by Miko 14 November | 17:14
fuck it--I say get four chickens.
posted by mullacc 14 November | 17:15
yay chickens! please set up a webcam, puhhhleeasse?!
posted by eatdonuts 14 November | 17:16
Four chickens is bad feng shui, mullacc. Everyone knows that.
posted by mudpuppie 14 November | 17:17
FIVE CHICKENS
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 14 November | 17:22
Bad feng shui? Bad DUNG shui, amirite?
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 14 November | 17:23
I don't know anything about chickens but buying two more instead of one sounds like the better plan. Good luck, mudpuppie.

I never got a chance to send my condolences for the loss of your beloved, Porkchop. I'm sorry.
posted by LoriFLA 14 November | 17:30
If you don't want more chickens, are there any chicken-ally animals you could get instead? Like, goats are really good at keeping horses company; are there chicken equivalents?

(If you do want chickens, or the answer to the above is "No," then two chickens sound like a good plan.)
posted by occhiblu 14 November | 17:34
If you don't want more chickens, are there any chicken-ally animals you could get instead?

I don't think it really works that way with chickens....
posted by mudpuppie 14 November | 17:35
MOAR CHICKENS!

Get more chickens. They are awesome.
posted by stet 14 November | 17:46
Six chickens! SIX!

By which I mean "two".
posted by halonine 14 November | 17:53
The only sensible option is to git yerself a mess o' chickens.
posted by Atom Eyes 14 November | 18:19
From a seasonal and musical perspective, you need a total three, even if they aren't French.
posted by tangerine 14 November | 18:24
Since you have such attachments to your animals, and such distress and grief over the demise of Porkchop, I am going to be contrarian here and say that you should not get more chickens.

It is expected (and hoped for) that we will outlive the animals we care for, and, for me, it's always wrenching. I just lost a cat, another cat has leukemia and while he will not die tomorrow or the next day, his prognosis is for a shortened life. Then two other cats, and a dog, whose passings I will need to endure. No mas.

Of course we have had a cat or four since 1978, and have never been without some sort of pet(s) but I can't take it anymore.

(sorry to rain on the thread, but you need to ask yourself about the long term, here, esp when you are commuting over the the East Bay)
posted by danf 14 November | 18:54
Seven chickens or GTFO.
posted by mullacc 14 November | 19:00
EIGHT CHICKENS
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 14 November | 19:17
What if someone gives you a goose?
posted by Ardiril 14 November | 19:42
Depends on the goose giver.

I see your EIGHT, TPS, and I raise you NINE.
posted by redvixen 14 November | 20:02
Shall I forward you people the local city ordinance limiting one's flock to six?

And I don't like to reach my limits, so the number will be substantially less than that.

SO YOU CAN STOP COUNTING, PEOPLE!
posted by mudpuppie 14 November | 20:19
ten
posted by unsurprising 14 November | 20:37
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posted by Pips 14 November | 20:37
My mom used to talk about having baby chics when she was a girl, and how she'd cup them in her hands and they'd drink the spit bubbles from her lips.

Course, you could always go in another direction...
posted by Pips 14 November | 20:44
I don't think it really works that way with chickens....

I suspected as much, but I wanted to make sure we were covering all the bases here.
posted by occhiblu 14 November | 20:54
I didn't get the chance to say sorry about your chicken, Pups. Poor little thing.

I like Pips peacock suggestion. They make good guard animals and they also eat ticks, don't they? Or am I thinking of guinea hens?
posted by jrossi4r 14 November | 23:28
I think you should contact this person and ask their advice. (note that s/he actually does have a page of chicken psychology. heh.) There's also a forum here that might be helpful (I noticed a post, "Needed help putting my beloved rooster down" and other posts that indicate it isn't just a straight business-of-poultry sort of board).
posted by taz 15 November | 00:30
Forget the chickens, you need llamas.
posted by cmonkey 15 November | 03:21
Fuck that. Dexter cows, ftw.
posted by stet 15 November | 04:50
You know this thread has made me decide that we need chickens.

Admittedly, I'm a little tipsy just now, but it seems a grand idea.
posted by pompomtom 16 November | 00:23
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