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21 October 2008

Just had to get this off my mind (NSFW) This is related to an article I read in the Pittsburgh Post-Gazette today, a letter to an elder care column. [More:]Apparently a 70 year old man who wasn't even impotent got his doctor brother to prescribe the little blue pill or something similar, and now is having marathons with his 70 year old wife all day, which since she loved her husband she was agreeable enough to go along with at first, but has made it clear that it's become too much for her. Her husband brags about their "renewed sex life" to their friends and told her "any male judge would laugh you out of court." CAN YOU IMAGINE???!!! Of course she's getting no sympathy from her husband's brother either. Fortunately, at least her doctor and children are appalled.

The column adviser told her to hang in there a little longer, seek counseling and she may have a suit but it would be difficult to win.

It is physical and sexual abuse to pressure someone for sex three times a day (especially a 70-year-old woman!). It is extreme emotional abuse to not even consider their feelings in such an intimate matter.
Could there be any person on earth who does not find that to be obvious?

Please, no humorous replies to the effect of "I don't see what the problem is" just to stir things up. I'm beginning to see why feminists have a reputation for having no sense of humor. Who could blame them?
Please, no humorous replies to the effect of "I don't see what the problem is" just to stir things up. I'm beginning to see why feminists have a reputation for having no sense of humor. Who could blame them?

what
posted by stynxno 21 October | 16:08
NSFW solution for the shortsighted.
posted by StickyCarpet 21 October | 16:13
She's not consenting, so it's rape, and it's likely elder abuse as well, depending on the state's laws.

And I'd second the "what" on the swipe at feminists. But I'll add a question mark:

What?
posted by occhiblu 21 October | 16:17
I read that last line as "If feminists like me don't have a sense of humor, it's because shit like this is going on and no one seems to care."

It wasn't a swipe at feminists. It was a swipe at people who swipe at feminists.
posted by muddgirl 21 October | 16:19
I read it the same way, Muddgirl. And I hope the poor woman gets some immediate help from her family.
posted by MonkeyButter 21 October | 16:21
actually, it was more of a "what" as in why that statement was needed in the first place and it's addition makes me feel as this type of post is borderline gyob.
posted by stynxno 21 October | 16:23
I guess it's the "them" rather than "us" that's causing confusion on that one.
posted by occhiblu 21 October | 16:23
I wonder if the woman has gone to the police. Or a divorce lawyer. This isn't a job for a social worker. If he's committing a crime, no, the judge will not laugh her out of the courtroom.
posted by LoriFLA 21 October | 16:27
In California, elder abuse is actually a mandated reporting issue, so a doctor who heard this story would be legally required to contact Adult Protective Services. I don't know how all this works in other states, but I hope this woman's doctor contacts them regardless of whether it's required.
posted by occhiblu 21 October | 16:32
Actually, I take that back. Doctors violating legally protected confidentiality are no good. So, I hope that the state this woman is in has a mandated reporting law for elder abuse, and that *someone* hearing her story who knows her name and location reports her husband.
posted by occhiblu 21 October | 16:35
My first reaction to this is "what an asshole," referring to the man.

Knowing what I do about the changes in female sexual response after menopause (my wife has a "use it or lose it" attitude, but it's different now), I am just appalled that this guy would do something like this. It's not lovemaking.
posted by danf 21 October | 16:37
Here's the column. I can't help but suspect that it's a little Dear-Penthouse-Forum-y, but who knows.

Q: My husband and I -- both in our early 70s -- have raised our two children and had a terrific marriage until lately, which is the cause of my concern. Even though my husband is not impotent, his brother, a physician, has been prescribing for him an anti-impotence pill that is about to make me leave home. My husband has now become obsessed with having sex, sometimes three and four times a day, which is totally out of character for him.

At first I tried to keep up with him, thinking that all of this would blow over, but during more than a month of marathons (as he calls them), I have been to my doctor several times. My doctor tells me that I am being physically abused, and I am beginning to agree. I have tried to talk to my brother-in-law, the doctor, but he laughs it off with "boys will be boys" and "let him enjoy his last years," comments I don't find particularly funny because I, too, would like to enjoy my last few years. To make matters worse, my husband now brags to our friends about his sexual prowess, and I am the brunt of his boasts. I get calls from the wives of our friends who want to know all of the details of our "revived" sex life. Even our children are appalled at his behavior.

While my husband is having a great time, I am being abused emotionally and physically, and I don't know what to do. My husband is a different man, and I can't reason with him at all. I hate to think about separation after more than 40 years of marriage, but I don't know how much longer I can hang on. When I approached my husband about my concerns, he told me that if I want to leave, that's my decision, as he now knows he can find any number of women who would be willing to move in with him. He also told me that if I wanted to sue him, I should go ahead, because he believed that any male judge would throw me and my case out of court. I am afraid and don't know what to do.

A: After receiving a number of questions like yours from our readers, we quizzed some of the leading matrimonial lawyers in the United States about possible solutions to this unique but apparently growing problem.

Some lawyers suggest that by prescribing this medication for a person who is not impotent, your brother-in-law has left himself -- and possibly the drug manufacturer -- open for a lawsuit by you for damages. We believe that this suggestion would take years, and recovery would be quite uncertain. In addition, suing your brother-in-law would not engender good family relations.

Others suggest that before you even think about filing for divorce or separation, you and your husband should attend counseling; however, if he is reliving his teenage years and having that good a time, we think this might be a waste of time -- at least now.

Even if your husband won't, we believe you should attend counseling with a professional you trust and try to give things a little more time to see if they even out. If they don't, we would suggest that you contact an experienced matrimonial lawyer in your area who will be able to fill you in on whether you have a cause of action and what to expect in your state.

Whether this type of conduct constitutes physical or emotional abuse legally is a big question that must be answered. There are always risks when it comes to litigation, and so, if you are going to sue, you need to get your ducks in a row. Document everything. Think about writing your brother-in-law about the problem and asking him to help you so at least you have documentation that you made efforts to resolve the situation. Get a clear understanding of the risks, match them against the potential rewards, and then make the best decision for you.

With TV advertisements on the air from breakfast until bedtime suggesting renewed sexual youth for men, we understand your husband's sense of euphoria. It takes two to tango, however, and you, as his dancing partner, should certainly be entitled to sit out a few dances.
posted by mudpuppie 21 October | 17:11
Here's the column. I can't help but suspect that it's a little Dear-Penthouse-Forum-y, but who knows.


Well for her to say "I never imagined myself writing this letter" seems apt.
posted by danf 21 October | 17:16
Wow, I do not agree with that advice at all. If this were an AskMe, I would want her to seek help in removing herself from that situation. He should seek help for mental health issues that could be causing personality changes.

I imagine that the letter is actually a mash-up of several letters, which is why the advice is so... measured.
posted by muddgirl 21 October | 17:23
When I approached my husband about my concerns, he told me that if I want to leave, that's my decision, as he now knows he can find any number of women who would be willing to move in with him. He also told me that if I wanted to sue him, I should go ahead, because he believed that any male judge would throw me and my case out of court. I am afraid and don't know what to do.

I'm assuming that the part about suing him, and "any male judge would throw me and my case out of court" is referring to suing him for financial support. I don't think the woman (if she's for real, and I agree that she doesn't sound it) wants to charge him with rape or abuse, or sue the brother or the pharmaceutical company, but she doesn't want to stay with him like this, and believes she has no resources to live on her own if she leaves. They only respond to that with others suggest that before you even think about filing for divorce or separation, you and your husband should attend counseling; however, if he is reliving his teenage years and having that good a time, we think this might be a waste of time -- at least now. which is totally wtf?!

Whatever advice place this came from? It's a bad, bad advice place.
posted by taz 21 October | 17:39
I was actually thinking about starting a little business called Mudpuppie's Bad Advice and Falafel.
posted by mudpuppie 21 October | 18:06
Ouch!

I think she should let him know how much sex is reasonable, and that anything over that was not going to happen. And if it did she would prosecute.

She needs to go to a rape counseling center and find out what her legal options are.

Meanwhile HER doctor needs to prescribe NO sex for her for awhile, and send a copy to that brother in law.
posted by bunnyfire 21 October | 18:07
Doctors violating legally protected confidentiality are no good.

But isn't doctor/patient confidentiality legally breakable when someone else is being harmed?
posted by Stewriffic 21 October | 18:12
makes me feel as this type of post is borderline gyob

Dude. Everything on metachat is gyob. That's why I love it so.

I really feel for this woman. This is just abuse. I don't even see why there's a question about it, whatever the husband thinks.
posted by small_ruminant 21 October | 18:25
Stickycarpet - I nearly threw up looking at that link.

posted by Lipstick Thespian 21 October | 20:03
But isn't doctor/patient confidentiality legally breakable when someone else is being harmed?

I don't know all the details of what doctors have to report -- it's stricter than what therapists need to report -- but I was correcting myself because my first comment about it had implied that the doctor should report it, regardless of whether or not he was legally required to. Which is wrong; doctors should not report things they are not legally required to, because that's illegally breaking confidentiality. They *should* report things they are legally required to; what those things are varies by state (I think; as I said, I don't know all the medical mandated-reporting laws).
posted by occhiblu 21 October | 21:30
It doesn't matter that she's his wife. Sex without consent is rape.
posted by brujita 22 October | 00:43
StickyCarpet's link should not be clicked before breakfast. Or really, ever.
posted by desjardins 22 October | 08:01
Carrot & Jerusalem Artichoke Soup: || I had forgotten how funny this book is. . . .

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