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07 October 2008

As soon as my housemate finishes watching "The Biggest Loser" I'll be finding the channel that the debate is on.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 19:59
Alright, Brokaw's begun. And I'm all alone here, y'all.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:01
Debates are boring. I think they should arm wrestle instead.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:02
I do understand that feeling, jonmc.

Brokaw looks OLD.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:03
Join us in #bunnies for live debate chat, if you want!
posted by ThePinkSuperhero 07 October | 20:05
Woo, AIG party!
posted by box 07 October | 20:05
Maybe, a square dance contest?
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:10
Hm. I don't know how to work IRC. I'll just echo chamber here, perhaps.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:10
It's getting harder to sing? Did I hear that right?
posted by box 07 October | 20:10
OMG, I didn't realize that Obama had "cronies."
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:12
Not bailout, rescue? Hmm.
posted by box 07 October | 20:12
One thing about Palin, she makes McCain seem downright erudite by comaprison. Maybe that's why he picked her.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:13
"Rescue" package. Not bailout. Um Hm.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:13
All politicians have cronies, stew. You're issued them when you declare your candidacy, like jumpboots for paratroopers.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:13
Oh right. I'd forgotten that part. I wear a size 7 1/2. I wonder who that'd get me?
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:14
Just some old drunk who can mysteriously get permits issued at a moments notice.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:16
Hm. I wonder the best permit would be?
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:18
The Get Naked in A Crowded Department Store With Impunity permit. It's really difficult to get.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:20
Poor woman... so nervous she could barely get her question out.
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 20:20
The Get Naked in A Crowded Department Store With Impunity

I like it. Also, the Eat As Much As You Want While Getting The Figure You Want And Becoming Healthy Permit.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:23
I once sat on Tip O'Neal's lap*. What's your point?

*In Nashville, even!
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:25
Jon, I think you're right tonight. This debate is boring.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:26
That deficit joke went over like a lead balloon. What, too soon?
posted by box 07 October | 20:28
Oooh. A depression-era question.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:28
Spending freeze. Interesting.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:29
A depression-era question.

Obama asked McCain what it was like riding the rails with Woody Guthrie?
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:32
Re-JFK-age with the Peace Corps. Not bad.
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 20:33
Ooh, he's going to tell McCain to sell some of his houses!
posted by box 07 October | 20:35
Well, they're on Park Place which is a valuable rental property.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:38
Most of them are being pretty smarmy tonight.
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 20:39
Er, both, not most.
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 20:40
also, I just heard Obama say 'talking tough about earmarks,' but I was getting something out of the fridge and it sounded like he said 'talkin' tough about earmuffs,' which is a kickass rhyme...

Most of them are being pretty smarmy tonight.

They're politicians. Smarm is what they do.
posted by jonmc 07 October | 20:41
He almost said Maverick. So close!
posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 20:42
Really? I don't find Obama smarmy at all. McCain, on the other hand, looks like he's about to throw a temper tantrum.
posted by jrossi4r 07 October | 20:43
Tonight, you drink on the "record" for those playing at home.
McCain seems feeble.

Someone mark the highlights as i bathe and pass out.
posted by ethylene 07 October | 20:45
He's starting to lose a little bit of coherence on this environmental stuff, too. Luckily, get back on track with some American exceptionalism.
posted by box 07 October | 20:45
Wouldn't have found this without the thread above. I don't like dancing!

Anyway, McCain just said he'd been on nuclear submarines and that they're totally safe.

He declined to mention that he's had cancer, what, five times???
posted by mudpuppie 07 October | 20:45
Luckily, he can
posted by box 07 October | 20:45
"Senator Obama says nuclear power has to be 'safe'... whatever. I eat depleted plutonium for breakfast. No cancer so far. Er."
posted by Wolfdog 07 October | 20:46
My emotional reaction to McCain is really negative. I don't like his voice, I don't like his movements, I don't like his smirks, I don't like the shape of his shoulders. I don't like the way he's leaning on his chair.

It's a good thing the logical part of my brain doesn't like him either.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:47
'Wave like that to me and I'll look at you.'
posted by box 07 October | 20:47
Wouldn't have found this without the thread above. I don't like dancing!

It's all part of the plan. Hide the real information, and divert people elsewhere. Yay politics!
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:50
'Business organizations, which are generally pretty supportive of Republicans.'
posted by box 07 October | 20:52
Man, McCain wanted this Town Hall format, but that was a huge mistake. He's better behind the podium, where he doesn't have to walk like an old man. He looks like he needs a walker.
posted by mudpuppie 07 October | 20:54
hair transplants?
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:55
When he mentions Reagan, and then mentions gold-plated Cadillacs, what are we supposed to think?
posted by box 07 October | 20:56
Yay! Health care as a RIGHT!
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 20:56
Calling out Delaware is an odd choice.
posted by box 07 October | 20:58
I'm rather disgusted with this debate so may I just mention here that John McCain reminds me of The Music man. And Crotchety Music Man.
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posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 20:59
Monorail! Monorail! Monorail!
posted by box 07 October | 21:00
Calling out Delaware is an odd choice.

He realized that as he said it. Did you catch the "O shit" look on his face?
posted by mudpuppie 07 October | 21:00
I'm rather disgusted with this debate

Yeah despite my attempt to keep interested, I'm just feeling pissy.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 21:01
Just drink when Mc says My friend, you'll get trashed in about 5 minutes and the condition of our country will seem very unimportant.
posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 21:03
Just drink when Mc says My friend Add in "my friends," and you'll be risking alcohol poisoning forthwith.

This would be my question, if I'd had a chance to ask one:

When I was 30 and recently out of graduate school and looking for jobs, the best quote I could get for health insurance was almost $2500 a month. This was due to a preexisting medical condition, which is completely under control with maintenance medicine. Which of your health plans would best serve people like me?

posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 21:09
Seriously, I wish he'd stop calling me his friend. He's not my friend. Not my friend!
posted by mudpuppie 07 October | 21:11
Hmm. How are McCain and Obama polling among people who have attended graduate school? I've got a guess, but I wonder if it's right.
posted by box 07 October | 21:11
Tally-Ban? Seriously, is that they way it's pronounced, my friends?
posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 21:12
Teddy Roosevelt. Heh. I kept expecting him to say "I knew Teddy Roosevelt. You, senator, are no Teddy Roosevelt!"
posted by jrossi4r 07 October | 21:13
McCain likes that bully pulpit.
posted by box 07 October | 21:15
For those just tuning in, Tom Brokaw's Greatest Exasperation is well underway.
posted by Smart Dalek 07 October | 21:15
Wait, so he's going to punch Osama bin Laden?
posted by box 07 October | 21:16
I knew Captain Caveman, Senior Obama, and you are no Captain Caveman.
posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 21:16
Does that make Palin one of the Teen Angels?
posted by jrossi4r 07 October | 21:17
Senator. Senator Obama. Geesh!
posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 21:19
Hmm... this thread is not as fun as the VP debate one. Maybe it's because we already know what they're going to be saying?
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 21:22
I agree, Trisha Lynn.

They're saying things that I've heard before, though it's hard to decipher through the b.s. wording. I also would love to see them actually debate. And Tom Brokaw is pissy.
posted by Stewriffic 07 October | 21:24
Also because the town hall format doesn't seem to encourage as much back-and-forth, I think.
posted by box 07 October | 21:24
McCain definitely bonded with that retired Navy dude.
posted by box 07 October | 21:26
@box: It was like he was thinking, "THANK GOD, a former military person is here so I can empathically bond with him." Which is why he touched him.
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 21:29
'What don't you know, and how will you learn it?'
posted by box 07 October | 21:30
God, that was such an awesome question that I'm pissed that Obama didn't answer it fully.
posted by TrishaLynn 07 October | 21:33
Shit, I didn't see you guys over here...
posted by Meatbomb 07 October | 21:34
For Jrossi4r:
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posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 21:41
I can't stop laughing! I love you, MonkeyButter!
posted by jrossi4r 07 October | 21:45
Captain McCaaaaaaaain-MMMMannn!
posted by MonkeyButter 07 October | 21:46
Box, as someone IN grad school I can tell you that McCain is not very popular. To say the least.

(Seattle, library school)
posted by Fuzzbean 07 October | 22:31
Total stereotype-filled guess, but I'm thinking he's fairly popular among folks with MBAs/advanced business degrees, somewhat less so among MDs and JDs, and not much at all among everybody else.

(McCain's so unpopular among employees of my public library system that administration sent out an email reminding us to not badmouth him to patrons.)
posted by box 07 October | 22:36
With all the shuffling around and repeating himself, they should be glad he wasn't referring to himself in the third person.

How they get away with completely ignoring all factual information has always been a mystery to me.
posted by ethylene 07 October | 22:41
I napped through the first hour of this debate, which was annoying, but in fact, is a good analogy to describe how I felt about the half-hour I did catch. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

The format sucked.

The only thing I missed tonight was the MeCha thread! Boo!
posted by loiseau 07 October | 23:11
How are McCain and Obama polling among people who have attended graduate school?

Sort of infamously, party identification by college grads ebbs and flows between R and D but is in the long run about even. The Dems, however, have by far the majority of those with less than a high-school education; on the other hand, they don't vote as much as other cohorts.
WaPo
cool graphic

It was a pretty dull debate. Obama did seem off his game a bit, but then he also muffs some of his best lines on the stump on a regular basis. He just isn't a soundbite or quip guy. But then neither is McCain. They're actually both obviously smart guys who are more or less matched in debate skills.

The Delaware line was probably one he'd used before in this type of answer -- but didn't have a Delaware running mate then. And Biden's MBNA connections are a potential weakness, if the VPs mattered, which they really don't.

I'm pretty sure he also said that Bush's policies have made us "more safe" instead of "less" and a few other slips. He obviously meant that a group of govt. scientists invented the internet, not the computer. If the computer was invented for anything it was Social Security (really).

The one real slight gaffe I think he may regret was saying "no" to the question about whether the economy was going to get worse before it got better. I think a lot of people wanted a straight answer there and he chose the "safe" one (because you don't want to be accused of talking us into a recession, etc.).

And darned if he would just stop saying "PAH-KEY-STAHN" instead of "PACK-@-STANN" like everyone else he might be able to lose the elitist label.

The one question I wish had been asked of McCain would have been, "Senator, do you approve of your audiences shouting out 'traitor' or 'terrorist' when your opponent is mentioned, or threatening 'kill him!', and if you do not why have you let it happen at campaign events several times this week?" Not to mention racial epithets directed at the news media.

That's what shows they've lost it -- the election and self-respect. They're attacking the media who are covering the campaign. Those guys are now in the position of entering hostile territory just to fill up a B-roll. Are they still going to be McCain's "base" anymore?
posted by stilicho 08 October | 00:07
Oh, and "green behind the ears" ... what was he doing, comparing himself to Spock?
posted by stilicho 08 October | 00:55
McCain Plan for Every Issue:

1. Identify Problem
2. Yell at problem
3. Create a commission
4. Nap/Matlock
posted by KevinSKomsvold 08 October | 01:01
heh.
posted by gaspode 08 October | 08:40
Equaly opportunity mockery at Defective Yeti.
posted by Wolfdog 08 October | 09:35
Barroom Ettiquette Isn't What It Used To Be. || who's watching the debate?

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