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12 November 2007

Am I being an asshole landlord? [More:]So I have a couple of tenants, who recently reported a problem in their main bathroom. When I investigated it, it turned out to be fairly serious and as a result, would require a complete re-tiling of said bathroom.

My tenants insisted on using no one else but the one handyman I hire with whom they were familiar. They expected him to work according to a schedule when either one or both of the occupants of the residence would be home. This meant working well into the night and on weekends. My handyman balked at this. He told me he didn't mind working into the weekend OR well into the night. But not both. This, I understood.

I communicated this to my tenants, one of whom got very perplexed as to why my guy wouldn't work whenever she dictated (or rather, when *I* as the person paying him told him to work). I told her that we were lucky to have my guy, as no contractor I trusted would work such a schedule, and would in fact demand unfettered access to the house 8-5 Monday thru Friday to get the job done.

So, we compromise. My handyman gets his weekends, but must work into the evening, though not as many hours as one tenant would have liked. As with any major remodeling job, problems have cropped up, including my guy being sick this last Friday. When I informed my tenant that he'd be back on Monday, and offered my apologies for the small delays we've encountered thus far, I could tell she was quite angry, though her roommate seemed fine with everything.

Today I call her to remind her that everything's back on track. She blows up at me, telling me that she's been upset with me since I first started "throwing (my) authority around as a landlord", by "threatening" to come into the house whenever I wanted, hiring whoever I wanted without any input from her.

I was more than shocked. I never felt at any time I was being antagonistic, and in fact thought we had achieved a compromise in which the tenants got most of what they wanted, my handyman was happy, and that the job was proceeding as quickly as possible given the circumstances.

I calmed her down some, but she kept repeating "I'm very unhappy." I don't know what else to do or say to alleviate her unhappiness and am quite tempted to challenge her to find a landlord more willing to work with her to meet her unusual working hours, her need to be onsite during the job, and who actually picks up the phone or answers e-mail in a timely fashion.

I've been a renter. It's been my experience that when a major remodel has to be done, it's customary to accommodate whoever the landlord hires to do the work. You either give the landlord permission to let the workers into the house, or you do it yourself and that's really all that's required of you as a tenant until the job's done. The landlord doesn't have to, if they don't want to, take into consideration whether or not you want to be there or what hours you work as long as they're reasonable about it.

I feel I'm being reasonable with my tenants. At least one tenant is making me feel like an asshole landlord. Renterbunnies ... what do you think?
You are being more than reasonable, you are being patient and considerate! Your tenant is being unreasonable ("outrageous" is actually the word I would use) by insisting that she or her roomate be present while the repairs are happening.
posted by Specklet 12 November | 10:46
There is one person being unreasonable in this equation, and it is not you, and it is not your handyman.

Of this I am quite sure.
posted by Fuzzbean 12 November | 10:49
No, you're not an asshole landlord. She is nuts. N-V-T-S nuts.

What I would expect from a landlord:

*48 hours notice about when the fixit men, whoever the landlord decided that was going to be, was going to show up.

*A real commitment to getting the work does as quickly as possible. This might mean hiring a crew to get in done in a day or two instead of hiring your preferred handyman who will get it done over a week.
posted by ROU Xenophobe 12 November | 10:52
Do tenants really have input over who the landlord hires to fix something? Am I totally out of the loop? I haven't rented since the '80s so things may have changed since then.

She sounds like an ass.
posted by iconomy 12 November | 11:04
My tenants insisted on using no one else but the one handyman I hire with whom they were familiar.

I've been renting all of my adult life and I've never had any choice as to which contractors the landlord used for apartment repairs.

posted by jason's_planet 12 November | 11:05
I think every lease I have ever signed included the right of the landlord to enter whenever they wanted to fix major plumbing problems. That may have had to do with units underneath mine, but I also think it has a lot to do with the landlord securing the right to protect their property from damage. And whether or not it was actually in the lease, I think day-time unaccompanied access for plumbing repairs is totally reasonable.

You could offer to have the water in that bathroom shut off for the remaining term of the lease. ;)
posted by mullacc 12 November | 11:05
As the others have said, you've been reasonable and downright generous.
posted by BoringPostcards 12 November | 11:17
Today I call her to remind her that everything's back on track. She blows up at me, telling me that she's been upset with me since I first started "throwing (my) authority around as a landlord", by "threatening" to come into the house whenever I wanted, hiring whoever I wanted without any input from her.

This makes me think that your tenant, uh, how can I say this politely, has a very different view of the landlord/tenant relationship than I do, or than any of my landlords have had. And I'm not sure if her view is reflective of either the relevant laws, the typical rental contract or the typical landlord/tenant relationship.

(Where are you, WolfDaddy? I want to rent from you.)

In the interest of playing devil's advocate: how long has this person lived there, and how long has she rented from you? Did she have a different landlord at this place before you bought it? What kinds of accommodations have you made for her in the past?
posted by box 12 November | 11:19
Your tenant needs to brush up on your area's tenancy laws. She sounds loopy. If one of our tenants tried to dictate who did the repair work, and what hours they were going to be doing it, we would simply serve them with a Notice of Entry and have the necessary repairs made, by whoever we chose, whether they liked it or not. (I work in a property management office.)
posted by Savannah 12 November | 11:27
There is one person being unreasonable in this equation, and it is not you, and it is not your handyman.

I agree. I think that if this particular tenant had any further complaints about your management, they should be delivered by certified letter.

You do have a lease, right? That covers your ass in this situation?
posted by muddgirl 12 November | 11:32
I'm the kind of tenant who makes coffee for the major-project fix-it guys. Your tenant is out-of-touch with reality. (OK, I am also out-of-touch with reality, but in a good way.)

+Savannah
posted by mischief 12 November | 11:33
Your tenant needs to brush up on your area's tenancy laws.

You might, in fact, print them out and give her a copy (making sure you're in compliance on all of it first, obviously). You might even highlight the pertinent sections for her.

God, what an ass she's being.
posted by me3dia 12 November | 11:45
She's being crazy pants.

She wants her bathroom fixed right? If she knows and trusts your guy why do they need to be home when he's working? It would be the total opposite for me. "Oh I know and trust that guy. It'd be great if he could come during my working hours so I don't have to listen to the clang-clang etc. and I could be home in peace."

Is she playing games for some financial compensation for not having a bathroom?

Crazy, either way.
posted by typewriter 12 November | 12:17
Damn. Whenever I rented, I had to conform to the landlord's schedule, much less get my pick of who does the work. Sheesh.
posted by chewatadistance 12 November | 12:23
It sounds like you're being more than reasonable.

The fact that she sounds less than reasonable, however, would lead me to wonder if something else is going on. It may just be that she's nutty, but could she be resentful about something you did in the past, or your tone of voice or something with this situation, or some other aspect of the situation?

It also sounds like she's freaking out about having strangers in the house when no one's around, which is to some extent understandable. Maybe she had a bad experience with such in the past?

None of this to say that you really need to change how you're handling things, just ideas on why she could be freaking out to such an extent.
posted by occhiblu 12 November | 12:27
box, come to Houston. I will rent to you.

occhiblu, I think it might have been my tone when I originally suggested hiring another contractor than the handyman she already knows. I think my tone was pleasant, but for whatever reason she interpreted it as "threatening". I don't think she or her roommate have had very good landlords in the past (I know I've had some bad ones) so she doesn't know how to react to a good one. She's taken pains to tell me she knows the lease backwards and forwards, so I don't understand what makes her think I *have* to accomodate her demands when it comes to repairs. And it's not just repairs, we're re-tiling the whole damn bathroom, including ripping out the carpet (who carpets bathrooms? I ask you.) and putting tile down on that. Not because it needs to be done, but because while we're in there doing tile work we might as well go ahead and do the floor.

She's not out a bathroom either, as there's one in the other bedroom the exact same size, and a toilet/vanity downstairs.

I felt I was being more than fair, but I wanted to sound it out with y'all to make sure. So thanks. Now I'm starting to wonder if there's bodies hidden in the walls or something.
posted by WolfDaddy 12 November | 13:03
I think it might have been my tone when I originally suggested hiring another contractor than the handyman she already knows. I think my tone was pleasant, but for whatever reason she interpreted it as "threatening".


I wondered this, too, because your description sounds like you've been pretty accommodating, certainly more than most small landlords and significantly more than management at a large complex. I imagine she's just never had to live through significant work in the house before.
posted by crush-onastick 12 November | 13:37
Although I can understand her wanting the work to be done when someone is home (I've been robbed by "trustworthy" people my landlord hired to do work when I was not home in the past), on what planet does the renter get to pick who is doing the work??
posted by kellydamnit 12 November | 13:50
what do you think?

You are evil, Wolfdaddy. Clearly you've hidden it for years, but it's all coming out now.
posted by essexjan 12 November | 14:04
You're tenant sounds like a prick. I'd be kissing your ass (figuratively) if you were my landlord.
posted by puke & cry 12 November | 14:48
I don't think she or her roommate have had very good landlords in the past

Or perhaps she has poisoned all of those past transactions.

What's the rental market like in Houston? Here in the Bay Area, many sub-prime mortgage refugees are returning to rentals, and the market has tightened considerably. As a renter, I'm in no hurry to antagonize my property management co.

A possible compromise: Offer to rent a safety deposit box or a small storage unit where the tenant may store her valuables in exchange for the contractor doing work while she is not present.

Or, you know, serve her with an Intent to Enter and tell her to rent her own goddam safety deposit box if she doesn't like it, because she's already spent her friendly credits.
posted by Triode 12 November | 15:29
Perhaps she saw the pornoz you shot with some other handyman in her apartment. In that case though, she shouldn't complain, because I thought they were really well done.

Seriously though, whatever it is, she's projecting.
posted by Hellbient 12 November | 16:18
Or maybe she's pissed off because she wasn't cast in said pornos?

Not arsehole landlord, arsehole tenant. Here, you would not even expect to be consulted, you would have a notice of entry stuffed in the letterbox right on the minimum notice time and, if you want to be present while the work is being done, you would have to arrange time off or whatever to suit the tradesmen.

Tell her to take a running jump at the moon.
posted by dg 12 November | 17:34
I'm a landlord, and you are being quite proper and very accommodating, and nothing you say will convince her of this fact.
posted by theora55 12 November | 18:26
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