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14 July 2005

MeFi goons have taken over #metachat! →[More:]

We need you to help hold down the fort. Right now it's just loquacious and me. We must outmaneuver and outflank. Capture the flag.

SAVE #metachat!
post by: mudpuppie at: 16:39 | 92 comments
It always tells me "IRC is not a registered protocol" when I try to click these links. What gives?
posted by goatdog 14 July | 16:43
What is this "#metachat" of which you speak?
posted by carter 14 July | 16:46
Sure is goon-y in here.
posted by agropyron 14 July | 16:49
carter, click here.
posted by mudpuppie 14 July | 16:50
I'm sorry, I love you guys but no IRC for me, my standards are very very low, but do exist.

Just keep trying to make nice and if that doesn't work just lay back and think of England.
posted by Divine_Wino 14 July | 16:52
Are you sure, mudpuppie? - Oh, okay - *hesitantly clicks link*

Safari can’t open “irc://irc.slashnet.org/metachat” because Mac OS X doesn’t recognize Internet addresses starting with “irc:”.

Rats!
posted by carter 14 July | 16:54
carter -- you need an IRC program, if you're using Safari

I'm using Conversation, which ain't half bad.
posted by papercake 14 July | 16:58
What if I'm on a PC at work? Should I fuggedaboudit?
posted by goatdog 14 July | 17:05
Hey it worked.

I wonder if this will make me even *less* productive.
posted by carter 14 July | 17:06
My work machine drives me crazy. What does this mean?

The page cannot be displayed
The page you are looking for might have been removed or had its name changed.

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Please try the following:

Open the irc.slashnet.org home page, and then look for links to the information you want.

If you typed the page address in the Address bar, make sure that it is spelled correctly.

posted by Specklet 14 July | 17:14
Specklet: Maybe you forgot the irc:// in front of the url? Looks like your browser was trying to open it as a web page.
posted by agropyron 14 July | 17:22
When I click on the link, it tries "irc://irc.slashnet.org/metachat", and that's the message I get. Are my browser settings funky?
posted by Specklet 14 July | 17:25
Kinda looks like they're just sitting there.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 17:52
Ummmm...aren't most of us MeFi goons (or at least reformed MeFi goons)? Are there folks in the MeCha family that never held a MeFi user number?
posted by Slack-a-gogo 14 July | 17:53
Registered backup channel is #meta_chat on slashnet. Dodgygeezer has the chanserv password. Will populate suitable ops list as needed.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 18:00
P.S. Thanks papercake!
posted by carter 14 July | 18:01
For those wondering what's going on, the "goons" were folks from #mefi: Linnwood, Nerudan, quonsar, and styxno. Their goal was to take over the #metachat channel, and they have succeeded.

They are now kicking out MeCha regulars like loquacious...
posted by agropyron 14 July | 18:20
PWND

Bitches!

LOL
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:26
To assert my position on the whole #mefi vs. #metachat thing, and I think I can speak for the majority of MetaChat.org members:

#metachat (Or #meta_chat, as it may end up being) isn't for #mefi to control, harrass, or otherwise flavor in the exact or similar manner that #mefi has been flavored.

After talking with a number of core MetaChat users, the general consensus is that #mefi isn't always so nice.

#mefi = not always so friendly, sincere, or sensitive. Or genuine (at least, to outsiders).

#metachat (so far) = empathic, sincere, almost always friendly, sensitive, and more things that #mefi or IRC in general aren't normally known for.

We want nice things, and we can have them. I frankly would like to preserve at least some of the sincerity, genuineness and empathy that's been delightfully present on #metachat so far.

This isn't to say in the least that #mefi and MetaFilter users aren't welcome. Who here isn't a MetaFilter user, or has been one?

But if we - MetaChat - simply wanted more buckets of unadulterated cock and an unimpressive signal to noise ratio and the looming specter of elitism, we would have just joined #mefi in the first place.

Frankly, I could give a sackful of stale assholes whether or not it's 'cool' or 'hip' to wear my emotions on my sleeve and desire a bit of sincerity and empathy in my conversations with people. I could give a fuck if it's not cool to not be hard. I'm not here to be cool - I think that if you read any of my posts should be pretty apparent by now.

As I finish this up, it's clear that #metachat on irc.slashnet.net has been hijacked by Nerudan and Steve_@_Linwood, and the so-called #mefi cabal. They can have it.


[15:16] agropyron: betrayed by Nerudan
[15:16] agropyron: NerudanAFK is ~nerudan@cloak-E40497C6.bos1.dsl.speakeasy.net * Nerud
[15:16] agropyron: NerudanAFK is a registered nick
[15:16] agropyron: NerudanAFK on @#metachat
[15:16] agropyron: NerudanAFK using pinky.slashnet.org SlashNET IRC Server at SourceForge.net
[15:16] agropyron: NerudanAFK has been idle 18secs, signed on Thu Jul 14 12:38:46
[15:16] agropyron: nerudanafk End of /WHOIS list.
[15:16] agropyron: -
[15:16] agropyron: [15:14] #metachat unable to join channel (invite only)
[15:16] loquacious: figures


[15:18] agropyron: it's not invite-only anymore
[15:18] agropyron: but the topic is "OWNED BY THE CABAL"
[15:19] loquacious: yeah
[15:19] loquacious: figures


So, the new slashnet channel is #meta_chat

The reason why we're going to use slashnet is because you can register channels and nicknames. type "/nickserv help" and "/chanserv help" for more info. Register your usernames.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 18:26
No, Steve. You're the one that's pwned. What're you, 12? What an ugly, sad little life you must lead. Loath yourself much?

Fuckin' tiresome shit. Like I didn't see this shit in like 1991. Anyway.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 18:29
hahaha
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:29
Nice junior high school antics, Linnwood.

To clarify: The actual channel hijackers were Neurdan and Linnwood. The others are just #mefi regulars who showed up and hung around.
posted by agropyron 14 July | 18:31
FYI: Something Awful members call themselves "goons"

posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:37
So go to Something Awful.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 18:38
You'd fit right in there. I hear you can even get furtive non-homosexual gay sex there.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 18:38
*rolls eyes*
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:39
The new place isn't working for me. And steve_in_highschool, you suck.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 18:48
<loquacious> Twelve year olds with tiny cocks

You sure like to talk about cock a lot!
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:49
interrobang, try a different server. I couldn't get in on the link provided either but managed to connect on a different server.
posted by LeeJay 14 July | 18:50
"My goal in life is to take over the MetaChat channel."

I just wanted to see it in print so that I could admire it.

Is there such a thing as a private IRC channel (or whatever you call it)?
posted by iconomy 14 July | 18:50
I'm not seeing it, LeeJay. It looks like I have to sign up, or something?
posted by interrobang 14 July | 18:52
They have made the channel "secret"

you have to "/join #meta_chat"

God, you people are n00bs
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:54
Will you please email me the "secret" information, someone? Also, n00b-friendly instructions, because steve has "ownzored" me, or something.

Dickhead.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 18:56
So there's something inherently wrong with noobs? Noobs is what I liked about #metachat.

Hey Dodgy? Kill Linnwood's account, willya? It's obvious he's not here to participate.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 18:58
participate?

What do you call this?

P.S. I didn't take over your channel.
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 18:59
uh, yep, n00b, that's me. big deal? doesn't Linnwood have better things to do with his time?

sadly not.
posted by gaspode 14 July | 19:02
I am also a n00b and not particularly ashamed of it.
posted by LeeJay 14 July | 19:04
ignore him and move on. i've ignored him on metafilter since his little stalker-ish incident with fold_and_mutilate.
posted by weretable and the undead chairs 14 July | 19:05
steve_at took over #sippin too! AND I'LL NEVER FORGIVE THAT ASSHOLE!
posted by greasy_skillet 14 July | 19:18
We want nice things, and we can have them. I frankly would like to preserve at least some of the sincerity, genuineness and empathy that's been delightfully present on #metachat so far.

This isn't to say in the least that #mefi and MetaFilter users aren't welcome. Who here isn't a MetaFilter user, or has been one?

Right on, loquacious.

I propose we attempt a strategy that a) never quite caught on at MeFi, and b) will work really well:

Ignore the trolls. Don't play the game. When idiots come around just to poke metachat with a stick, pretend you didn't feel it. Do not respond. Pretend it never happened. Ignore and move on. Keep your mouth shut. If you prefer, keep yer mouth shut. Don't give in. Open your umbrella to protect metachat from the shit storm. Ignore the trolls.
posted by mudpuppie 14 July | 19:26
remember it always seems like the end for our man until at the last second everything works out!
posted by 31d1 14 July | 19:27
Just for the record and speaking as the guy who took over #metachat: I'm not from #mefi at all (which based on my limited experience is pretty stupid). I'm just a friend of someone there. As for banning/stalking based on my hostmask - as taz and loquacious could tell you right now from looking at their logs and my current #meta_chat login, I'm coming from multiple proxies, so save yourselves some trouble.

Enjoy your new IRC channel, though! This was fun. :)
posted by Nerudan 14 July | 19:37
Everything interesting happens when I'm at work. I have been feeling nostalgic about high school lately. Glad to see that's been swiftly put down.
posted by kellydamnit 14 July | 19:45
I am a great fan of #mefi and used to visit there a lot when I was able to. That said, it is a "special" place and there is no reason for it to spread anywhere else. Sounds to me like a couple of people fucking things up for others just because they can.

God, you people are n00bs
... and? Perhaps you were born with all the 733t skillz you need to act like a dickead, but most of us need to learn them. Most of us aren't really interested in acting like a dickhead, though, so don't need them.
posted by dg 14 July | 19:46
as a IRC noob myself (and one that has always been treated well on #mefi) i hear more and more lore about the crazy old days of IRC, especially about why it's not the best idea to try and have a serious channel on a big IRC server. stuff like this i guess. and it seems like having any sort of thin skin near a channel is just well, begging for trouble.

metachat is supposed to be kinda fluffy and forgiving, right, but the response to this is seems a bit grim. it seems like the goons here are having fun at something others are taking real serious, and vice versa. i see why this is upsetting but i'm saying, uniting and not dividing might require a bit of shrugging it off, and a live and learn attitude.

i personallly think it's kind of funny to see noobs get pwned, and that extends to when i'm the noob. to a point, of course, but taking over a channel on a giant irc network seems like its not actually a great big deal. i know people want their peaceful corner sometimes, but sometimes it doesn't come as easy.
posted by 31d1 14 July | 19:52
[16:50] loquacious: Nerudan: Well, you weren't lying about your IRC skills.
[16:50] NerudanLOL: Nah, I wasn't.
[16:51] NerudanLOL: You missed a way-too-long dissertation on the entire basic model of IRC
[16:51] loquacious: Can we have our real channel back?
*snip*
[16:51] NerudanLOL: loq: I'll ask Linnwood. Personally I'm pretty indifferent.
*snip*
[16:52] loquacious: If you're indifferent, what was the point?
*snip*
[16:52] NerudanLOL: He asked me to
[16:52] loquacious: I mean, big whoop. You haxored a bunch of noobs.
[16:52] NerudanLOL: loquacious: yeah, but drama++
posted by loquacious 14 July | 19:56
Looks like I picked the worng day to install and try Chatzilla.
posted by krix 14 July | 19:57
Some people are just natural-born fuckheads.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 20:00
"If I ever meet that cuntfaced shithole of a human being in person, I'm gonna kick his fucking teeth down his throat, feed him laxitives, and make him eat it again."

Nice group of people you've got here
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 20:00
We were having a good time, fuckface.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 20:04
Nice group of people you've got here
Pot, meet kettle. You have no right to whine that you got called names when you acted like an arsehole in the first place. Learn the deal with the consequences of your actions.
posted by dg 14 July | 20:06
In two weeks the registration on #metachat will expire, so regardless you'll get it back then.
posted by Nerudan 14 July | 20:07
when you acted like an arsehole

Just for the record and speaking as the guy who took over #metachat —Nerudan

How did I act like an "areshole" ?

Pull your head out of your collective ass.
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 20:10
I'm just a friend of someone there.
posted by Nerudan 14 July | 19:37

[16:51] loquacious: Can we have our real channel back?
*snip*
[16:51] NerudanLOL: loq: I'll ask Linnwood. Personally I'm pretty indifferent.
*snip*
[16:52] loquacious: If you're indifferent, what was the point?

The connection seems pretty clear.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 20:12
How did I act like an "areshole" ?
[16:51] NerudanLOL: loq: I'll ask Linnwood. Personally I'm pretty indifferent.
*snip*
[16:52] loquacious: If you're indifferent, what was the point?
*snip*
[16:52] NerudanLOL: He asked me to
Like that.
posted by dg 14 July | 20:13
haha, okay

enjoy yourselves
posted by Linnwood 14 July | 20:16
Eat shit, steve.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 20:17
So, we have Linnwood fucking around, not "because he can", but "because he knows a guy who can". What do you call that - "pwned by proxy"? Not to mention his little friend who does things just because he is asked to by the master.

High school mentality at its worst.
posted by dg 14 July | 20:19
*sigh*
Steve, Go fuck yourself with the 30-inch thorny cock of Satan please...
posted by Schyler523 14 July | 20:23
I'm just going to peg it as further proof of Steve's inability to form relationships, his insincerity, his general attitude towards others, his inability to see softness in people as a feature, not a bug and that power is always justified by the reason of power itself. The law of claw, of tooth, of muscle and bone over all, right Steve? Might is the only thing that matters.

I'll be smug in knowing that people like Steve make me feel sane, normal, and not an asshole. There's nothing Steve could ever say that would make me take him seriously ever again, and I know that's true for a lot of people that went through this.

I'll also feel smug in knowing that these are traits that are (more often than not, it seems) shared by people of a conservative/rightwing political alignment, that these people could give a fuck about humanity and being social, and that that's fine. As long as we all know where we stand. It makes me feeled all the more justified in being a partisan bitch.

On preview: Typical of schoolyard grade bullies. Unable to scrap for themselves.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 20:27
steve, if you'll recall I've defended you in many situations where nobody else would, but this time, you're on your own. Color me disappointed.
posted by jonmc 14 July | 20:31
As far as I know, metachat itself was set up specifically to be a site where people aren't assholes to each other. I've been a jerk in the past here, and I feel bad about it.

I don't at all understand why someone would want to *infect* this site with assholery, *just for the sake of doing it*. It's like saying "we're assholes here, why aren't they assholes there? Let's go over there and make them assholes, too."

In case anyone else hasn't noticed, the front page here is *dead*. Everyone's stunned, and only this thread is active. Some people noticed that the mood around here wasn't all about "such and such is teh gay", and came to spoil the fun. Good job. It worked.

What do we do now?
posted by interrobang 14 July | 20:37
What do we do now?
posted by interrobang 14 July | 20:37

Do our best to not feed the trolls. Carry on as normal.
posted by agropyron 14 July | 20:44
Oooh, look! Something shiny! Over there --->
posted by dg 14 July | 20:47
I don't at all understand why someone would want to *infect* this site with assholery, *just for the sake of doing it*

Because of his MeFi experiences, steve feels excluded. The irony is (and I say this with complete confidence) if steve had come in here and merely goofed around with everybody else, he would've been welcomed with open arms. In fact, this site was created with that in mind. There's a few people here who I've brawled with in the blue, who have been totally convivial with me here.

Steve either dosen't belive that's possible, or he dosen't want any part of it. Both options are depressing.

There also is the possibility this is an impostor. Steve did make a lot of enemies at MeFi. It's not impossible that somebody might want to fuck with him this way.
posted by jonmc 14 July | 20:49
"Is there such a thing as a private IRC channel (or whatever you call it)?"

Just an aside, yes. There are multiple ways to accomplish this. You can "/mode #channel +k password", you can +i for invite only, you can even lockdown a channel with +l to limit the number of users, or +m (mute) and +v the people you approve of.

All of this tends to result in an unsightly, closed system though because you have to do passwords, setup systems for invites, blah blah blah - it's messy and awkward and a pain in the dick.

The cleanest solution is to just leave the channel out in the open, registered, and the channel founder (the person who registered the channel with ChanServ) has infinite authority via ChanServ (basically a global services bot integrated into the network) no matter who has ops, or what they try to do (after registering the channel I opped some guys from metachat and let them screw around kicking people left and right - it was pretty funny when they tried to kick me and found out they couldn't). This is what exists in #meta_chat, and since by default #metachat expires in two weeks what will exist there, then.

The final solution (nothing to do with Nazis, I assure you) is to run your own IRC server. For anyone smart enough to run their own Apache server, this is really on the same level. Anybody with a G-Line or O-Line (GlobalOps or server-specific IRCops) can more or less do what they want, including telling the channel services bots to go fuck themselves in cases like the current ones with #metachat. I don't recommend doing this unless you know what the fuck you're doing, though.
posted by Nerudan 14 July | 20:52
I don't understand. I just got IRC working in order to get into some of the discussions. This just completely sucks. I just don't get the mentality. It's actually hard for me to imagine that S@L would be interested in this because it's just so strange.
posted by omiewise 14 July | 21:10
Oh yeah, I'm a complete newbie for this stuff. I guess I figured there were other things more important than learning how to control an IRC channel.
posted by omiewise 14 July | 21:12
Omiewise: once you're connected to the server type "/join #meta_chat" Oh, and if you think anything that happens on IRC, ever, is important in any way . . . you're in for a rude awakening.
posted by Nerudan 14 July | 21:14
There also is the possibility this is an impostor. Steve did make a lot of enemies at MeFi. It's not impossible that somebody might want to fuck with him this way.

No, it's totally obvious that it's him. He's a complete nihilistic psychopath, and this totally fits his M.O.

Also, I got an email three hours ago from a #mefite that the takeover was going to happen.
posted by interrobang 14 July | 21:16
well, then we're back to "color me disappointed."

Steve, don't expect to see me in your corner anytime soon.
posted by jonmc 14 July | 21:25
if you think anything that happens on IRC, ever, is important in any way . . . you're in for a rude awakening.
Also, don't fall for the idea that, because it's IRC it's not permanent. Always assume that someone is logging the conversation and that they are likely to post the text of it somewhere that will embarrass you. It is a good idea to assume that anything you write on the Internet (web sites, IRC, e-mail, everything) is both public and permanent.
posted by dg 14 July | 21:44
Yeah, I'm pretty confused about the whole thing. I mean, I think everyone acknowledges that there are people with more l33t skills than others.

Hacking something yourself...could be l33t
Getting your big brother to beat up the server for you...not so l33t really. Kudos to Nerudan on his mastery of the arcaneness that is IRC...but I guess I fail to see why he would use it to attack a relatively innocuous (and insanely easy) target like mecha. I mean, it's not many xp points for stabbing marshmallows, ya know?

*shrug* Then again, I've done some weird stuff for friends over the years, so who knows.

But Steve man, this is beneath you. I guess I never thought of you as petty.
posted by PsychoKitty 14 July | 22:04
For those wondering what's going on, the "goons" were folks from #mefi: Linnwood, Nerudan, quonsar, and styxno.
excuse me? i was not involved. in fact i tipped loquacious. what a bunch of shit, agropyron.
posted by quonsar 14 July | 22:43
I'm a goon? what?
posted by stynxno 14 July | 22:53
quonsar: he retracted his comments downthread.
posted by loquacious 14 July | 22:53
also, it's stynxno no, not styxno. i hate styx.
posted by stynxno 14 July | 22:54
quonsar: he retracted his comments downthread.
oh. never mind.
posted by quonsar 14 July | 22:58
[there is no cabal]
posted by exlotuseater 15 July | 00:01
Linnwood, Nerudan, quonsar, and styxno.

A lot of things said about #mefi here, and I feel compelled to "break the first rule".

I have been to #mefi many times over the past few months and Steve, (Quonsar already cleared up above) & Stynxno are always among the most friendly, welcoming people there.
Don't know who Nerudan is.
posted by mlis 15 July | 00:14
mlis, I would back that up, which is one of the reasons I was so disappointed with Steve_At. Not that I expect him to give a shit, but still.
posted by dg 15 July | 00:23
Yes, I take back any perceived slandering I may have done. S@L and his buddy/IRC sock puppet/whatever are clearly the wrongdoers. I grouped them all together because they seemed to show up at the same time.
posted by agropyron 15 July | 00:34
heh. Well, I missed all that drama, but got to see everyone over on the new spot.

At any rate, it's actually really cute, isn't it? Like when the boys used to pull your hair on the playground because they liked you? I can't stop smiling about the idea of #mefi dark ops and cabalninjas plotting to take over the bunnies-&-unicornporn channel with chill Machiavellian stealth. #mefi, you guys are the best, and I love you big lugs - never change!
posted by taz 15 July | 00:39
No, it's more like when the boys used to pull you onto the ground and poop on you, and then ask you why you were covered with poop.
posted by interrobang 15 July | 02:21
and then when they opened their mouth poop shot out.
posted by quonsar 15 July | 02:46
loqueefus: congratulations on your first IRC channel. you will find the stunning power it offers pales in comparison to the power of having your hand up your own ass.

also, keeping the channel +i and kicking people who are just idling is a good way to, well, have a completely useless channel with no one in it. if you need any pointers, feel free to consult me (I use the nick lysol).
posted by michelob 15 July | 03:57
Sorry lysol. I preapologized. I was working on some stuff. It's -i now.

And nothing compares to fisting yourself. Nothing. Go forth and lubricate, my son.
posted by loquacious 15 July | 04:27
what the fuck? I have to leave the channel to work out of the office one day and this happens. My my. I miss all the drama.
posted by dabitch 15 July | 04:31
Firstly I'd ask everyone to chill out. Chill out.

Thank you.

Now this all sounds terribly exciting written here but the reality was rather dull. I went away from the keyboard for a little while and when I came back there were five extra people. They spoke of peak oil and threw a few mild insults around but mostly, well, they just lurked. They sat there and said fuck all, and folk from here mostly said nothing or just left and that was that.

So they took over a chat room that nobody wants to chat in. Cool.

The reality is we can use any variety of #meta-chat #meta_chat #mecha or even #bunni_luvrs but we can always use a different name if we wish. If our friendly local invaders keep invading then I guess less people will bother with it and eventually it won't be worth invading anymore. That'd be a shame but I guess that's the nature of irc. Sure we could lock stuff down, but in the end I think that'll be more of an impediment for folk from metachat than from mefi.

So there you go - not nearly as exciting as you may think.
posted by dodgygeezer 15 July | 04:49
if it helps, i offer to be the queen bouncer bitch for scheduled irc meet ups, esp. if they are topic driven, unless someone has a site/channel they mod already for your chatting needs
necessary mod qualifications should include:
sense of humor, broad and fine
discerning eye for signal to noise
tolerance
knowing when to draw the line
knowing the difference
hopefully something interesting to say or know
perspective
posted by ethylene 15 July | 06:14
First of all, I would like to congratulate quonsar:

and then when they opened their mouth poop shot out.

I laughed so hard I vomited.

Secondly, I heard Linnwood and Nerudan have a third nipple between them that they share back and forth, like, every week, and the adhesive is getting stale so it might fall off. If you happen to find an extra nipple, you know who to call.

That's all.
posted by Hugh Janus 15 July | 09:07
I guess I left as they were starting the hijinks.

S@L is a sad, lost little boy who bullies because he can. Ignoring him is the most appropriate punishment. It drives people like him up the wall when they can't get a reaction.

Oh, and if you think anything that happens on IRC, ever, is important in any way . . . you're in for a rude awakening.

It depends on what you call important. I met my husband in a chat room. Yes, that really only affects the two of us, but nonetheless, I consider that pretty damned important.
posted by deborah 15 July | 14:41
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