http://metachat.org/index.php?disp=comments en-US http://backend.userland.com/rss 60 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:23:17 +0000 c202036@http://metachat.org Someone needs some junk food and cable TV. Breathe, breathe. http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202036 Sat, 09 Sep 2006 20:48:50 +0000 c202050@http://metachat.org Oh, thank you, TPS. I'm breathing. I feel much better now. I was just blowing off steam.
I'm breathing. I feel much better now. I was just blowing off steam. ]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202050 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 03:16:54 +0000 c202082@http://metachat.org Employers typically have a contractual agreement to pay off the temp company to permanently hire a temp employee. This can be as much as 20% of the potential employee's wages plus benefits (or much more in the case of professional temps). Often this is cost prohibitive, if the temp employee especially is unskilled or has "general" (i.e, fungible) skills, if their reason for going with temps is fluctuating need for the additional employee(s). Explain this to employer C as: "The only reason they gave for not hiring is that I was temp employee; the payoff would have been prohibitive."
Often this is cost prohibitive, if the temp employee especially is unskilled or has "general" (i.e, fungible) skills, if their reason for going with temps is fluctuating need for the additional employee(s).

Explain this to employer C as: "The only reason they gave for not hiring is that I was temp employee; the payoff would have been prohibitive." ]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202082 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 17:05:43 +0000 c202138@http://metachat.org JP - here's a story for you. I am also a temp, and get this: I'm doing a State job better than the Union person they're hiring to do it. In fact, I'm doing it so well that they want me to stay just long enough to TEACH the Union person,who has sub-par English and computer skills, to do the job THE SAME WAY I do. I'm ready when the revolution comes. Hell, I may even start it. Or start something. I feel you, brother, man, do I feel you.
I am also a temp, and get this: I'm doing a State job better than the Union person they're hiring to do it. In fact, I'm doing it so well that they want me to stay just long enough to TEACH the Union person,who has sub-par English and computer skills, to do the job THE SAME WAY I do.

I'm ready when the revolution comes. Hell, I may even start it. Or start something. I feel you, brother, man, do I feel you.]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202138 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 19:44:23 +0000 c202160@http://metachat.org Orthogonality -- Yeah. I know about all that. But it's still infuriating. As if every day I spend temping is another day that some asshole can use against me. LT -- I've been in similar setups, working next to people who sucked and who managed to make 50% more than I did just because they were permanent staff. And then when you want your own piece of the pie, they say: "You've done the job. You're doing a great job at the job. What a crying shame it is that you can't do the job." Thanks to everybody for all your suggestions and support. I really appreciate it.
LT -- I've been in similar setups, working next to people who sucked and who managed to make 50% more than I did just because they were permanent staff. And then when you want your own piece of the pie, they say: "You've done the job. You're doing a great job at the job. What a crying shame it is that you can't do the job."

Thanks to everybody for all your suggestions and support. I really appreciate it. ]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202160 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 21:12:45 +0000 c202168@http://metachat.org *hands Jason's_Planet a big bowl of ice cream, the tv remote, and massages shoulders* I'm sorry I have no suggestions, but I'm listening! And feeling your pain. *hangs dart board with employers photos on it, hands J_P darts*
I'm sorry I have no suggestions, but I'm listening! And feeling your pain.

*hangs dart board with employers photos on it, hands J_P darts*]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202168 Sun, 10 Sep 2006 23:06:44 +0000 c202179@http://metachat.org I've had that happen to me. I was lucky my current employer was willing to payoff the agency to hire me. Also, in addition to the payoff on hiring, many agencies flat-out don't allow employers to hire the temps, at least not for the first six months to a year they work for them. Doing so could completely destroy their relationship with the agency. I've known places that will "fire" a temp, and make arrangements to "hire" them a month or two later, so they can avoid the temp agency BS.
Also, in addition to the payoff on hiring, many agencies flat-out don't allow employers to hire the temps, at least not for the first six months to a year they work for them. Doing so could completely destroy their relationship with the agency.

I've known places that will "fire" a temp, and make arrangements to "hire" them a month or two later, so they can avoid the temp agency BS.]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202179 Mon, 11 Sep 2006 02:30:27 +0000 c202215@http://metachat.org A shoulder rub from a redhead and a bowl of ice cream? Oh, my. I should lose temp jobs more often ;) I've known places that will "fire" a temp, and make arrangements to "hire" them a month or two later, so they can avoid the temp agency BS. Another thing they do is fire them for a few months because if they work for months and months and years at a time, the courts have tended to rule that the temp agency is a legal fiction and the the onsite employer is the real employer. Real employers don't wanna get nailed that way so they'll lay you off for a while just to make it look more temporary. and a bowl of ice cream?

Oh, my. I should lose temp jobs more often ;)

I've known places that will "fire" a temp, and make arrangements to "hire" them a month or two later, so they can avoid the temp agency BS.

Another thing they do is fire them for a few months because if they work for months and months and years at a time, the courts have tended to rule that the temp agency is a legal fiction and the the onsite employer is the real employer. Real employers don't wanna get nailed that way so they'll lay you off for a while just to make it look more temporary. ]]> http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202215 Mon, 11 Sep 2006 04:00:51 +0000 c202232@http://metachat.org Having just spent half my work day (again) showing the permanent employee who sits next to me how to do her job (a job that I applied for, but which she got), I can kind of sympathise with you. Not that that helps, but still. http://metachat.org/index.php/2006/09/09/return_of_the_return_of_the_return_of_th#c202232